EvC Forum: Proven phenomena?

Hi Buz! Good to hear from you.

Buzsaw writes:

Phage writes:

This is false. The SETI project has it *right in the acronym* that it is searching for intelligence other than that of earth humans. God need only radio in for science to find him.

Alas, Phage. That's not how creating designers operate; foolishly assigning the designed object created the role of dictating to the creator the role/purpose of the object created/designed.

How do you know? Seems like you're the one telling God what he can and can't do.

Buzsaw writes:

Phage writes:

Also, science certainly can study potentially fulfilled biblical prophecy. Science is a method that anyone passingly familiar with the method can perform (with varying degrees of quality of course). Science isn't generally applied toward this end as believers don't like the results.

Please cite one example of the above.

Please, enough with the fulfilled Biblical prophecy.

Prophecy is poetry, open to interpretation. Always. Unless you can come up with an unambiguous prophecy, you don't have anything factual that science can investigate. By unambiguous, I mean one which can be verified to have been made before the event prophesied, is clear and precise about what is prophesied, giving names and details, and can also be verified to have happened exactly as the prophecy said it would.

Example one: Nostradamus writes, "Five hundred years from now, the most powerful country in the New World will be led for the first time by a man with an African father."

Example two: Nostradamus writes: "From the depths of the West of Europe, a young child will be born of poor people, he who by his tongue will seduce a great troop; his fame will increase towards the realm of the East."

Gee, which do you think is the real Nostradamus?

Unless you can point to a prophecy that sounds like example one and not number two, prophecy isn't evidence for anything, and isn't any more subject to scientific investigation than Emily Dickinson.

Buzsaw writes:

...after a three day fast, when encountered by the missionary, the wicca woman fell dead in the assembly of the tribe. After questioning the locals, it was determined that the woman was a couple of decades older than humans should live. It was concluded that she was so totally empowered by the demons that when they departed, the shell/body of the woman collapsed lifeless. I attended this missionary meeting at a Christian & Missianary Alliance evening service back in the 1960s or so when he was home on furlough.

Etc.

So you weren't there. You have a story told to you 40+ years ago by someone who isn't even telling you what happened, but how he interpreted what he said happened. I am, to say the least, skeptical of the quality of this evidence. You'd have better luck trying to verify some of Mike Warnke's supernatural claims.

By the way, Wicca is a modern pagan religion, which began in England in the 1950s It has approximately nothing whatever to do with any South American indigenous practices. The only Wiccans you're going to find down there are white folks on Amazonian Ecotours. Or maybe you're just using the term generically to describe anyone who practices a non-monotheistic (and therefore Satanic) religion, in which case you're only being imprecise.

Better luck next time.

ABE: Yes, I know that New Guinea isn't anywhere near South America. I just mis-remembered the locale in Buz's original anecdote. Sorry.

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