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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 51 (568314)
07-05-2010 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
07-05-2010 7:56 AM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
I was really hoping Practical Prodigy would participate, but after a flurry of initial posts, we haven't seen him in a few days. Maybe he was posting as a school assignment and hit his quota of posts.


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Message 32 of 51 (568383)
07-05-2010 12:35 PM
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07-05-2010 8:43 AM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Theodoric writes:

I was really hoping Practical Prodigy would participate, but after a flurry of initial posts, we haven't seen him in a few days. Maybe he was posting as a school assignment and hit his quota of posts.

I figured my stuff was on topic within the perameters of psychic and spiritual, but evidently Admin Moose doesn't agree. Perhaps someone will weigh in to explain.

Nothing is necessarily proven but that does not mean some within the perameters of the list don't have a measure of supportive evidence, depending on the hypothetical premises to which evidence is applied.


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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 51 (568384)
07-05-2010 12:42 PM
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07-05-2010 12:35 PM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
I agree with Admin Moose, The Bible and biblical prophecy are way off topic. Unless Prac. Prod wants to weigh in and say that was what he meant by "Capacity (psychic and spiritual)", but I think you want to just get your pet argument into the discussion and I don't want it derailed, by your unevidenced, unsubstantiated assertions. You tend to do in most other threads your participate in.


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Message 34 of 51 (568451)
07-05-2010 10:33 PM
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07-05-2010 12:42 PM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Theodoric writes:

I agree with Admin Moose, The Bible and biblical prophecy are way off topic. Unless Prac. Prod wants to weigh in and say that was what he meant by "Capacity (psychic and spiritual)", but I think you want to just get your pet argument into the discussion and I don't want it derailed, by your unevidenced, unsubstantiated assertions. You tend to do in most other threads your participate in.

Well now, f.y.i, the psyche has to do with the soul or spirit and prophecy is a spiritual gift. Go figure. However it's your thread. I'll find something else to do. Enjoy.


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Theodoric
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Message 35 of 51 (568452)
07-05-2010 10:38 PM
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07-05-2010 10:33 PM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Well now, f.y.i, the psyche has to do with the soul or spirit and prophecy is a spiritual gift.

Well since you have no evidence it is just a bunch of woo.
FYI, there is no soul and no prophecy


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Message 36 of 51 (568524)
07-06-2010 11:52 AM


I guess this thread is a bust
Practical Prodigy has posted to other threads since this thread started, but evidently doesn't want to participate here. Since he does not feel his list is worth supporting and no one else seems to feel as he does, I guess there is no sense discussing this any more.

I think it is the consensus of the members that have participated that this is not a list of proven unexplainable phenomena. Either the phenomena does not even exist, or there are valid scientific explanations or hypotheses for them.

Thanks to those of you that participated.


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Message 37 of 51 (568584)
07-06-2010 10:23 PM
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07-06-2010 11:52 AM


Re: Why The Thread Went Bust
Theodoric writes:

Well since you have no evidence it is just a bunch of woo.
FYI, there is no soul and no prophecy

The evidence has been cited. Check out my profile data. It goes unacknowledged by all secularists including mainline scientists who have no interest whatsoever in becoming accountable to a higher power.

I see the BB and singularity are on the list. My prophecy stuff has more verifiable evidence than either, in spite of the fact that science's interest is only in that because it circumvents any notion of ID.

The thread went bust only because you want to pick and choose who participates and what items on the list you want aired.


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Theodoric
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Message 38 of 51 (568585)
07-06-2010 10:31 PM
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07-06-2010 10:23 PM


Re: Why The Thread Went Bust
Are you incapable of reading what the moderators? The bible and bible prophecy are off topic. I and they did not want your pet unsubstantiated theories taking over the thread. No one wants to rehash this issue again with you.

Edited by Theodoric, : punctuation


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Message 39 of 51 (568593)
07-07-2010 12:15 AM
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07-06-2010 10:23 PM


Buz - There have been and probibly will be more prophecy specific topics
Message 1 of this topic had a long list of supposed unexplained phenomena. Leave the topic to that, and put your Biblical prophecy stuff in it's own special place.

Or something like that.

Please, no prophecy and no replies to this message.

The real Adminnemooseus


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Message 40 of 51 (573902)
08-13-2010 1:57 AM


I would be very interested to see a list of phenomena. Here is a list of what qualifies:

- It must be an event/effect that can be reproduced in a laboratory OR

- It must be an event/effect that can be observed by anyone possessing necessary equipment. Equipment that is fully defined and reproducable.

- The effect/event must have no strong scientific theory explaining it. Guesswork and theories with no evidence are allowable. In fact the effect/event could even blatantly contradict some known physical mechanism.

Here's one example; in the earliest days of powered flight, some stated that the bumble bee should not be able to fly. Of course since then science has worked out how this little insect manages it. But for a time, it was a phenomena.


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Huntard
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Message 41 of 51 (573906)
08-13-2010 3:02 AM
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08-13-2010 1:57 AM


I don't know if it can be reproduced in a lab, but ball lightning fits the other two criteria.

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Theodoric
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Message 42 of 51 (573974)
08-13-2010 11:01 AM
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08-13-2010 3:02 AM


I think there are some very strong theories of the mechanism behind ball lightning. There may very well be several "types" of ball lightning, so there may be more than one explanation. I do not feel it is a totally unexplained phenomena.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning


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Message 43 of 51 (573975)
08-13-2010 11:11 AM
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08-13-2010 11:01 AM


Theodoric writes:

I do not feel it is a totally unexplained phenomena.


Nor do I, but that wasn't a criteria for his list of "phenomena".

He asked for something that:

Dexx writes:

must be an event/effect that can be reproduced in a laboratory


I find this one tricky, because if we can replicate it in a laboratory, we pretty much know how it works.

Dexx writes:

must be an event/effect that can be observed by anyone possessing necessary equipment. Equipment that is fully defined and reproducable.


This holds true for ball lightning, anyone can see it, if it occurs.

Dexx writes:

The effect/event must have no strong scientific theory explaining it. Guesswork and theories with no evidence are allowable. In fact the effect/event could even blatantly contradict some known physical mechanism.


I don't know how "strong" the explanations are that wiki provides, but there are of course explanations.

So, you see, it doesn't matter that there is an explanation, it just can't be a strong one.


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Theodoric
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Message 44 of 51 (574054)
08-13-2010 6:48 PM
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08-13-2010 1:57 AM


Well the believers in the supernatural are not willing to participate here in any meaningful sense. The original poster of the list I used in the OP ran away like a scared puppy when he was asked to provide any sort of backing for his claims.

The effect/event must have no strong scientific theory explaining it. Guesswork and theories with no evidence are allowable. In fact the effect/event could even blatantly contradict some known physical mechanism.

This completely changes the phenomena as described in the OP. This leads things very wide open to extreme subjectivity. The purpose of this thread is to show that there either hard scientific explanations for the phenomena or at least reasonable theories, ther than godidit


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Message 45 of 51 (574141)
08-14-2010 9:56 AM


sailing stones
Would the sailing stones found in Death Valley qualify?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_stone


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