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cavediver Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
I think you misinterepreted what I was saying when I said "historicity of these later events" Yes, I did. Sorry about that. I went off onto one of my favourite personal bugbears I'm not sure that I quite agree with you. There is such an obvious switch in Gen 1/2 from P to J (using P and J in a loose sense) - and J tends to have the fairy-tale approach. And then we get such a mish-mash of narrative styles as we progress through Genesis. There is no one stylistic shift, I agree, but I would say that there are many shifts back and forth as we progress.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
There is a false dichotomy here. Simply saying that Genesis 1-11 is not poetry does not make it literal history. Indeed it seems to be quite clearly myth. And why should Christians be required to accept myth as literal truth ?
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3657 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Yes, I wasn't suggesting your comments were without merit to the discussion. They are, in so much as showing that what Jar calls Christianity is nothing of the sort-but that's ok with me.
I wasn't ever intending to single out Christianity in my OP anyhow, but rather simply to address those who believe in disorder and order at the same time.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You are a self-professed atheist, so it seems unlikely you can give much insight into the minds of those who believe in a disordered world, while at the same believing in an ordered connection between man and God. I tried to be a theist. I tried hard. I failed, obviously. But certainly as a result of this experience I can explain the thinking of someone who tries to be a Christian without being obtusely wrong about easily verifiable scientific facts. Science never gave me any trouble. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And even were this not so, my point still stands.
You witness an earthquake or a tsunami that kills a hundred thousand people as a result of natural tectonic forces and still you believe that this is the working out of God's plan. But the idea that evolution producing the human race can also be the working out of God's plan seems outrageous to you. Why? You ridicule theistic evolutionists, but why is their thinking so much different from your own? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I wasn't ever intending to single out Christianity in my OP anyhow, but rather simply to address those who believe in disorder and order at the same time. Do you also have an address for those who believe in purple and green at the same time? I refer you to my first post on this thread.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
I wasn't ever intending to single out Christianity in my OP anyhow, but rather simply to address those who believe in disorder and order at the same time. Zoroastrians? Mutate and Survive
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3657 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Well, sort of hard to plan for fravashis if there was never any certainty that life was going to create them.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Bolder-dash
I wasn't ever intending to single out Christianity in my OP anyhow, but rather simply to address those who believe in disorder and order at the same time. But what you call disorder may not be disorder. Your perception could be the problem.
I wasn't ever intending to single out Christianity in my OP anyhow, but rather simply to address those who believe in disorder and order at the same time. Great. I'm a Deist: I explained it to you in Message 21. Now if you have trouble with evolution and I (and other theists) do not, then perhaps it is your particular faith that is the problem, and not the fact that evolution exists, is observed, and fully explains the diversity of life as we know it. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3657 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
I said that I believe that Tsunamis are the working of God's plan?
Then again, No, I didn't.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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An Elk is someone that is a member of a recognized chapter of the Elk Club. A mason is someone that is a member of a recognized chapter of the Masons. A Christian is someone who is a member of a recognized chapter of Club Christian.
It really is that simple. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3657 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
So, does one have to be or have been a member of an Elk club to be an Elk? Or can they just declare themselves to be an Elk?
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3657 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Great, well at least we are getting a little somewhere.
Do you mind to explain why you believe in Deism?
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2158 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:For a Jew or Christian there shouldn't be an inherent conflict between randomness and God's sovereign control: Prov. 16:33 The dice are thrown into the lap,
but their every decision is from the LORD. quote:I don't quite understand what you mean here. As I mentioned earlier, orthodox Christians believe that God upholds the universe every instant: Col. 1:17 He himself is before all things and all things are held together in him.
In this sense, for a Christian, nothing is "purely naturalistic" or unguided or unorganized. So what do you mean above?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I said that I believe that Tsunamis are the working of God's plan? Then again, No, I didn't. Which? Are they contrary to God's plan (proving that plate tectonics is more powerful than a supposedly omnipotent God)? Or are they in accordance with God's plan? Your call. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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