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Author Topic:   Most significant current ID based research activity
cavediver
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Message 21 of 35 (451625)
01-28-2008 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by randman
01-28-2008 2:35 AM


Re: not ready to say the most significant, but
No, I am asserting that QM, the basic theory itself, is an integral part of Intelligent Design and so all QM research, imo, is "most significant current ID" research. Unless you understand QM, it's probably a waste of time trying to explain that to you, however, as you won't believe me.
Then explain it to me...

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cavediver
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Message 29 of 35 (451660)
01-28-2008 11:13 AM
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01-28-2008 10:40 AM


Re: not ready to say the most significant, but
As far as research, the Aspect experiments, or the quantum eraser experiments, or experiments on entanglement, or any experiment seeking to verify or illustrate the world of quantum mechanics, imo are helpful for Intelligent Design overall because they involve quantum operations outside space and time.
No, they do not. Such a statement is not only wrong but meaningless. Quantum Mechanics operates perfectly well within space and time. All of these experiments, bizarre as they seem, merely confirm standard QM as we have understood it for nearly a century - the only people surprised or amazed by these experiments are those who do not understand QM (there is obvious respect and admiration for the scientists overcoming the technical difficulties in setting up the experimental apparatus.)
when 2 particles are entangled, they act as one system regardless of time and space
Again, meaningless - what does 'regardless of space and time' mean?
If one becomes a distinct physical state, or in other words occupies a location within space and time via observation, the other particle is affected as if and indeed they are, one system.
No, it is not. There is no observation that you can make that would enable you to conclude that the second particle had been 'affected' in any way. You only become aware of entanglement statistically - by making 100s of observations, and realising that the observed statistics reveal a (classically) unexpected correlation between particles 1 and 2.
He also disagreed with quantum physicists and the theory of quantum mechanics because like you, he was a determinist.
No, there is very big difference between Einstein's view and mine - that is why I agree with quantum physicists (not too surprising given that I am one) and quantum mechincs.
So what we have is an indication of mechanisms and design occuring outside any specific location and outside space and time
No, we don't. We have quantum mechanics operating as quantum field theory very much embedded in space and time. I can see aboslutely no connection between this and any of the ideas in ID.

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