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Author Topic:   Most significant current ID based research activity
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Message 31 of 35 (451663)
01-28-2008 11:24 AM

Quantum mechanics, since it is a study that is NOT done by IDists, is not a topic of this thread.

It is also not a useful topic for randman to discuss other than in a special thread for that. (which I think we have had). The restriction is necessary because QM has not been shown to be an ID based study and also since randman has been told that he is wrong by someone who actually understand QM and by others who have corrected randman's misunderstandings over and over.

Continued discussion of the QM topic other than in a thread devoted to it and it alone will result in suspensions.

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Message 32 of 35 (451676)
01-28-2008 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by cavediver
01-28-2008 11:13 AM

Re: not ready to say the most significant, but
all i see discussed is the "appearance" of quantum physics by the quantum theory.

but unless you have a 100% observable action and reaction, your still guessing. so the truth is not yet discovered.

your willing to admit that the theory is tentative, based on new evidence, it could change, but who is searching for the new evidence? or do you just study based on the theory, which means repeated trail and error of the current paths of research, or are you measuring all fields and potential culprits to the adverse effects that inhibit an "apparently" random behavior?

since man exists in space and time, how can man see something outside of space and time? it would be acceptable then, to conclude that anything outside space and time would not observable to mankind, yet something could "appear" to exist outside space and time without any way to prove it.

by this reasoning, tentative science remains tentative until it becomes a law by all observation, and that by the assertions of ID, God is not tentative, can only be discovered through laws, which are not guesses, not theory, but absolute facts based on all observation.

for this reason, tentative sciences have no relevance, and to claim all science proves nothing, and the "laws" of science proving nothing, would be saying science is useless, since it proves nothing. but the laws of science are relevant, and can be expanded on, but cannot be refuted even in its simplest form, such as gravity: what comes up, must come down. which is a half truth, because we know that far enough up, outside the field of the body that the gravity comes from, an object will not come back down. but the truth in "what comes up, must come down is true within the field, and weight of an object heavier than the body it exists in (such as air).

in conclusion: the tentative sciences prove nothing, but are a stepping stone to discover the truth. it is only a question yet unanswered, and a direction to follow to discover the truth. so to say the science of subatomic particles is always random, is a half truth, and makes scientist stupider, because they run experiments based on that without searching for the other hidden variables. likewise, did a scientist say belief in God makes people stupider, because they don't look for the truth of the universe through science. but if you acknowledge the laws of science that prove God, they are laws that direct science to "keep looking" which means : smarter.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Message 33 of 35 (451680)
01-28-2008 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by AdminNosy
01-28-2008 11:24 AM

Re: Topic!
let me ask you nosey, if i said i was an id'ist, and said my research involved quantum mechanics, does that make it relevant then?

for instance, i say that quantum mechanics has overlooked sound, and that my belief in ID says all things relative.

in this way is my research founded: that sound travels through subatomic particles, and that particles closer together mean that the sound travels faster. and that light, sound, and radiation are relative by its speed. lets say that particles are sooo close together that sound travels so fast (even faster than its set speed) and then becomes radiation, this would mean that radiation is relative to light in speed, but a different embodiment of energy because light continues to travel, and radiation is local phenomenon relative in speed by its expulsion rate.

would this then, prove that it it is ID related research?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Message 34 of 35 (451688)
01-28-2008 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by tesla
01-28-2008 12:34 PM

What it proves
All that post proves is you don't know what you are talking about and can't construct a coherent thought.
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04-10-2008 12:28 PM

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