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Author Topic:   When does design become intelligent? (AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)
DrJones*
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Message 77 of 702 (569367)
07-21-2010 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
07-21-2010 3:01 PM


Re: Logical Answer
How about the first most primitive life forms following abiogenesis? How were they/it to survive long enough to replicate void of ID?

Without replication, they aren't life Buz. The most primitive life-forms would be capable of replication.


It\'s not enough to bash in heads, you\'ve got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it\'s Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I\'ll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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DrJones*
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Message 93 of 702 (569439)
07-21-2010 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by ICdesign
07-21-2010 8:08 PM


Re: When its intelligent
And finally, if I turned out to be wrong I would never know cause it would be the end at death. If your wrong Crash, and the bible is right, you will spend all of eternity separated from the God who spent your entire lifetime trying to reach you. Everything myself and others has said will echo in your head as you are stuck with your choices forever....that is truely sad my friend.....

False Dichotomy, you're ignoring option C: you both end up in some other religion's hell/heaven


It\'s not enough to bash in heads, you\'ve got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it\'s Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I\'ll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 107 of 702 (569469)
07-21-2010 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
07-21-2010 9:41 PM


Re: Logical Answer
We IDists need to know how the first organism allegedly survived long enough to get complex enough to reproduce more life

For fucks sake Buz are you senile or just an idiot? It has been explained to you several times in this thread that without the ability to replicate it wouldn't be"life".


It\'s not enough to bash in heads, you\'ve got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it\'s Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I\'ll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 113 of 702 (569480)
07-21-2010 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
07-21-2010 10:19 PM


Re: Logical Answer
Question 3: Where Did the First Living Cell Come From?

Answer 3: it evolved from a previous life-form

There you go Buz, 2 down.


It\'s not enough to bash in heads, you\'ve got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it\'s Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I\'ll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 118 of 702 (569485)
07-21-2010 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Buzsaw
07-21-2010 10:38 PM


Re: Almost Life?
To nourish itself takes design complex enough to make it want to live

So E. Coli bacteria have a desire to live Buz? Tell me, when did you get so learned in the motivations of single-celled organisms?

ID affords for explaining complex things like life

Really? then how does ID explain the most complex thing of all?


It\'s not enough to bash in heads, you\'ve got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it\'s Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I\'ll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 634 of 702 (571819)
08-02-2010 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by ICANT
08-02-2010 3:34 PM


Re: Antenna gains
If they were so intelligent 100 years ago why did they bleed people when they got sick to make them get well?

If they were so intelligent 100 years ago why didn't they have supercomputers?


Cause they didn't have the knowledge that we do now.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 641 of 702 (571827)
08-02-2010 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 640 by ICANT
08-02-2010 4:17 PM


Re: Antenna gains
Does that mean they were as intelligent as we are today?

Why wouldn't it? They just had less knowledge, knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Joined: 08-19-2004
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Message 652 of 702 (571841)
08-02-2010 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 651 by ICANT
08-02-2010 5:13 PM


Re: Antenna gains
Do you mean to tell me we have not evolved above the earliest mankind known to exist. They just didn't have the knowledge we do. Is that what you are saying.

Of course we've evolved over the the earliest mankind, but thats not what we were talking about. You mentioned humans of 100 years ago, don't try to shift the goalposts now.

I thought the IQ of humans had increased in the last 50 years.

It might have. I'd like to see some evidence of this and if the increase was actually of a significant amount.

Does everybody posess the same Intelligence?

Of course not, and that is obviously not what I said.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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