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Author Topic:   When does design become intelligent? (AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)
New Cat's Eye
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Message 399 of 702 (570974)
07-29-2010 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by ICANT
07-29-2010 2:44 PM


Re: When it comes to Information there is always a big question... how do you measure it?
Which came first the life form containing the DNA information?
OR
The DNA information that produced the first life form?
If you must draw a line between the first lifeform and its predicessor, then the DNA for that first lifeform would have been slightly different from the DNA contained in the thing that came before the first lifeform, thus the DNA would have came first.
Although, the first true lifeforms probably came before true DNA, but that is beside the point.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 414 of 702 (570995)
07-29-2010 3:59 PM
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07-29-2010 3:49 PM


Re: When it comes to Information there is always a big question... how do you measure it?
That would depend of whether the life form was created by an intelligent designer or whether it was created by chaos.
Not necessarily... I see no reason to assume the intelligent designer was too inept to employ chaos as a means of creating.
If it was created by an intelligent designer it would have the information placed in the life form at the point of creation.
Again, not necessarily. I see no reason to assume the same ineptitude that you proscribe to the intelligent designer.
If it was created by chaos I have no idea how the information could begin to exist and get in the life form.
It started with just chemical reactions, those happen all on their own. Eventually, you get to self replication, which when imperfect, introduces new information.
Its all very, very gradual.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 424 of 702 (571010)
07-29-2010 4:41 PM
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07-29-2010 4:33 PM


run away!
If it was created by chaos I have no idea how the information could begin to exist and get in the life form.
Catholic Scientist writes:
It started with just chemical reactions, those happen all on their own. Eventually, you get to self replication, which when imperfect, introduces new information.
And you have reproducible verifiable evidence to support that assertion. If you do please tell me where I can find it.
You asked how it *could* happen and I told you. But I never expected you to learn or accept anything.
You've never cared about it before. I guess when you lose the argument you can always fall back on that one.
Let talk about the Big Band some more. That's always good for a laugh...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 701 of 702 (572130)
08-03-2010 11:55 PM
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07-30-2010 11:56 AM


Re: run away!
No, I made the statement I didn't know how information could begin to exist out of chaos.
You replied telling me it just started with chemical reactions.
You said you had no idea how it could happen and I gave you a way it could.
You're just exposing your dishonesty at this point.
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