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Author Topic:   When does design become intelligent? (AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)
Boof
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Message 682 of 702 (571892)
08-02-2010 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by ICANT
07-31-2010 8:02 PM


New information!
If you do why not try this random mutation generator here.
It is a barrel of fun.
You can mutate at the rate of one mutation at the time or more.
Thanks for the link, as you said it was a barrel of fun. I had a go with the default sentence and eventually came up with the result "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy log". What do you know - new information!
I quite liked this new sentence so I tried the random generator on this and eventually got the sentence "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy leg", even more new information.
I showed this to my friend, who not only has a bad leg, but is also severly cynophobic. He loved the new sentence almost as much as he hated the first sentence and said that he would rather read this one a million times over than read the original. Not sure what he was getting at, but interesting all the same.
To get back on topic. Now that I have this new sentence created from random inputs, how do I distinguish it from an intelligently designed one?
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Boof
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Message 689 of 702 (571959)
08-03-2010 1:23 AM


Well now I guess I’ll never know whether ICANT agrees that the random sentence mutation program he linked to can actually produce new information or not. Might save that question for a new thread when he returns from holiday.
Anyway this proved to be a more thought-provoking thread than I had imagined after reading the OP
ICDESIGN asked:
When does design become intelligent? Crashfrog claims the eye would be an intelligent design if the Retina face the light-sensing layer out towards the front, where the light comes in; not backwards, towards the inside of the scull, with two layers of light-insensitive cells between the iris and the incoming light. I have a solid rebuttal to that argument
at what point does design become intelligent?
As with everything it often comes down to definitions. To my way of thinking design implies a process of planning for a particular outcome. Thus to me anything that is truly designed requires an intelligence. The level of intelligence may vary, many things are poorly designed
but designed nevertheless.
The antenna example did throw me a little, but on reading the link provided by Subbie it seems that the antenna was produced through a process of engineered evolution via a random mutation process and artificial selection rather than what I have defined as design. Maybe I just need to rethink my definition of design?
Of course the real question for creationists is how can we discern that which is designed from that which isn’t? I think Buzsaw has given the best answer so far:
Anything that is designed by an intelligent agent is intelligently designed.
Equally accurate as it is useless

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