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Stile
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Message 84 of 142 (570969)
07-29-2010 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Pauline
07-28-2010 10:11 PM


Crashfrog vs. God
Are you saying you don't understand the similarities that Crashfrog is trying to show you?
Pauline writes:
The entire Bible is about God. God, throughout its pages, is portrayed as the Ultimate authority.
Crashfrog's entire posts are about Crashfrog. Crashfrog, throughout his posts, is portrayed as the Ultimate authority.
How can you read the Bible and also not agree that according to it, God is the ultimate authority?
How can you read Crashfrog's posts and also not agree that according to them, Crashfrog is the ultimate authority?
Do you not understand that God rules this universe when He claims to have created it?
No, I do not understand this. Why would it be true?
Would you understand that Crashfrog rules the universe if he claimed to have created it?
I don't think you would. So why does such a thing work for God?
That He forgives sins? That He heals diseases? That He gives prophecies that come true? That He fights battles for His people? That He performs miracles? That His character is like none other? That His wisdom is beyond human understanding?
But none of this has been demonstrated. It's only written on some paper like many other stories. Like Jumped Up Chimpanzee's claims. Like Crashfrog's claims.
Why do you demand that Crashfrog must demonstrate himself outside of his writings, while God does not have to demonstrate himself outside of His writings?
How can one ignore these, and many like them, and ask for more evidence?
"One" is simply asking for the same demonstrations from God that you are demanding from Crashfrog. That is all.

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Stile
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Message 122 of 142 (572194)
08-04-2010 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Pauline
07-30-2010 3:52 PM


God's Demonstrations
Pauline writes:
No. crashforg is showing me bullshit. He is noteven on the same page with the topic at hand. If you would like to join him, please do. But I am taking this thread where it wanted to go originally.
In circles? Even though it is about circular reasoning, we should try to move forward, not get stuck in the same misunderstandings.
As if there's a dearth of words in this thread, is this more BS?
No, I'm attempting to show you how useless your non-demonstrations of God's authority are. They are as useless as crashfrog's.
Pauline writes:
Stile writes:
But none of this has been demonstrated.
False
"False" is not a demonstration, it is an assertion. You are only proving that it has still not been demonstrated.
Pauline writes:
God does prove His character.
Great. Where? How?
People are not mad to carry the legacy of one man throughout ages, believe in Him, live and die for Him, and preach about Him, if He did nothing but only talk about Himself.
This does not prove God's character. Nor is it any sort of demonstration of God's authority.
These people may not be mad, no one has claimed that they were. They're just wrong. People are wrong about things like this all the time. In fact, even if your chosen theology is correct, the majority of the world would have to wrong in exactly this way because they accept a different religious authority. Therefore, using this as a demonstration of God's authority is actually a logical contradiction as it is used by a majority of others for a variety of mutually exclusive ideas.
If you would like to blunt face reject this, please do. I don't care.
Oh no, not blunt face rejected. Only reasonably rejected as it is in a strict logical contradiction with all other religions, as described above.
Do you have any actual demonstration for why anyone should accept God's authority? Or is everything else you have to offer as useless as crashfrog's claims?

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