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Huntard Member (Idle past 2316 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
I'd contact Percy about that. I do recall Faith refusing this arrangement, however, perhaps you should contact her too.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3651 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Yes, I would be willing to do that if she wants to come back.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2316 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Ok,
What I would do then is send Faith a private messsage, or an e-mail (adress in her profile), and detail your intentions. If she agrees, you can then send Admin a private message explaining your intention to support Faith. I'm sure she'd then be reinstated, as Admin has promised.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3651 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
I shall.
By the way, other than Joran Van Der Sloot, I really like Dutch people.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2316 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Bolder-dash writes:
Thank you. He's a bit of a psycho, isn't he. I hope he gets to spend quite some time in that cell, that should hopefully teach him a lesson. By the way, other than Joran Van Der Sloot, I really like Dutch people. Oh, I've got nothing against Chinese people either. I really like the progress the country's made over the last few years, go on, challenge those yanks!
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3651 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Well, I live in China, but I am not Chinese. But many of my friends are.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2316 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Ah well, fair enough. No matter what nationality, I doubt I could find any fault with them
Anyway, let's stop this off-topic banter, shall we?
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CosmicChimp Member Posts: 311 From: Muenchen Bayern Deutschland Joined: |
Hi Bolder-Dash,
Your observations and questions are quite interesting. I'd like to think I will be able to jump into this 'coffee house' thread occasionally and offer a bit of what I know and have been able to think through to you for as long as the thread is active. So it may seem as though I am ignoring most of your posts or that your points could be taken as valid, this is however not the case. Many of your questions will have already been answered to a very well reasoned position even before I have seen your latest post. Your scenario with a series of fortunate mutations seems to be ignoring the idea that not all mutations need be beneficial. You seem to be presenting an unbroken series of beneficial mutations and just ignoring the plethora of other types of mutations present in every individual of the population.
We could of course go on and on with these fortunate beneficial mutations which are so rare, but let's return to the present for now. Essentially, you are saying that populations of organisms are receiving a continuous series of beneficial mutations. You have assumed that a fortunate mutation must come from a set of beneficial mutations and are thus rare. Mutations of any type, are not rare and any one of them is a potentially beneficial mutation.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3651 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
No, I am not ignorant of the fact that you can also have non-beneficial mutations occurring regularly during the time frame that these generations are supposedly getting the good mutations as well. But how does that strengthen the case of evolution any?
I still need to get a mutation for a tear duct,, and I need to it be somewhere near my eye, and I need it to be more beneficial than it is detrimental (if that is even possible before I have teardrops) even if we are getting mutations for a club foot, or for baldness, or for a cornea that is attached to the tip of a tail and serves no purpose whatsoever.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I still need to get a mutation for a tear duct,, and I need to it be somewhere near my eye, and I need it to be more beneficial than it is detrimental (if that is even possible before I have teardrops) even if we are getting mutations for a club foot, or for baldness, or for a cornea that is attached to the tip of a tail and serves no purpose whatsoever. And we observe that all that happens. And then natural selection weeds out the detrimental mutations and selects for the advantageous ones. And we observe that happen, too.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3651 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
That's great, so show me where we observe corneas popping up in organisms spontaneously? How about cone photo receptors appearing on the palms of people's hands?
You must have access to some studies I have not seen.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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That's great, so show me where we observe corneas popping up in organisms spontaneously? How about cone photo receptors appearing on the palms of people's hands? Those events would disprove evolution, not be evidence in favor of it. On the other hand, the living world contains examples of a continuum of eyes ranging from simple eye spots to human-style backwards-retina "just good enough" camera eyes to the retinas-forward, optimum design found in cephlopods.
You must have access to some studies I have not seen. I don't believe you've ever in your life seen a scientific study. What was the last one you read? Be specific. I'm asking for title, authors, and the volume and page of the journal in which it appeared.
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CosmicChimp Member Posts: 311 From: Muenchen Bayern Deutschland Joined: |
You are implying that the mechanism is insufficient. But why is it insufficient? Is it because it seems to be for you too improbable? Mutations are practically raining down on a population and you don't see that it causes some of them to reproduce more effectively?
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3651 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
What I have said is, show me the evidence for this-if you are going to claim your theory is so robust.
Show me some of the types of mutations that would be similar enough to the types of mutations it would require to build the complexity of an eye. Where are they? Why are they so hard to find? Are they a once in a trillion mutation? What does the random mutation for something like a functioning tear-duct look like?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What does the random mutation for something like a functioning tear-duct look like? A small change to a bog-standard sebaceous gland.
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