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Bolder-dash
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Message 91 of 109 (570897)
07-29-2010 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by molbiogirl
07-29-2010 10:33 AM


Re: Early tetrapods and tear ducts
It almost seems to me that many of the educated evolutionists can't really be bothered thinking about the finer points of your theory.

There are so many complex systems, each with connecting systems that are virtually useless on their own, and yet you have very little interest to consider how or why they could come together without some kind of guidance. We have all kinds of glands designed to support other systems of the body, and they are useless on their own, and yet you are ok to just brush away this logical difficulties of bridging all of these gaps. Things like saliva glands, or testes. Which came first, an erection or an orgasm?

Well, why bother to wonder, if you can just say natural selection can do it all, the details are much easier to ignore.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 92 of 109 (570900)
07-29-2010 10:59 AM


This guy has no intention of learning anything. Y'all are wasting your time (unless you're having fun of course).


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Bolder-dash
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Message 93 of 109 (570902)
07-29-2010 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by New Cat's Eye
07-29-2010 10:59 AM


I am a troll that is hijacking my own thread?

Hey, I want to ask you, how come you believe in a soul while at the same time you believe in an unguided process of life.? Do you think God decided to inject a soul AFTER he saw that his unguided, completely random system luckily resulted in something that resembled him?

And do you believe in this with absolutely no evidence to come to that conclusion?

Or can you just not really be bothered to think about it?


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jar
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Message 94 of 109 (570905)
07-29-2010 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 11:07 AM


Bolder-dash writes:

Hey, I want to ask you, how come you believe in a soul while at the same time you believe in an unguided process of life.?

The existence of a soul is a belief, nothing more. It may or may not exist. It may well be nothing more than a human construct. There is no evidence so far that there is a soul.

There is evidence though that Evolution happened.

When you present evidence that there really is a soul, then we can begin looking for how it evolved.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Bolder-dash
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Message 95 of 109 (570909)
07-29-2010 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by jar
07-29-2010 11:10 AM


Let me explain something to you that might help clear things up a bit for you, because you seem confused to me.

First, I am asking Catholic Scientists why HE holds this belief. You see, you are by definition not capable of answering why HE believes this unless you are in fact him. I think this is known as the "individualist school of thought ownership"-or in some circles also known as the "who the fuck was asking you what he thinks" brand of intellectualism. Its a post-modernist thought I concede.

Secondly, there may be evidence of common ancestry, but there is virtually no evidence of the mechanism for that.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 96 of 109 (570911)
07-29-2010 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 11:07 AM


I am a troll that is hijacking my own thread?

Apparently...

Although, I wouldn't call it "hijacking" if its your own thread.

Hey, I want to ask you, how come you believe in a soul while at the same time you believe in an unguided process of life.?

Evolution has and does happen, that is a fact. It could be guided, I don't know.

I don't care to explain to you why I believe in souls.

Do you think God decided to inject a soul AFTER he saw that his unguided, completely random system luckily resulted in something that resembled him?

That's a possibility. Or maybe he did guide the evolution to produce what he wanted.

And do you believe in this with absolutely no evidence to come to that conclusion?

There's shit-tons of evidence that evolution has and does occur. Wanna see a neat video?:

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Embedding doesn't seem to be working, heres a link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enrLSfxTqZ0

Those foxes evolved. No ifs ands or buts.

As far as the soul, I believe I have subjective evidence suggesting that it exists, but I'm not sure that's rightly calling it "evidence", so it depends.

Or can you just not really be bothered to think about it?

Far from it! I've got over 4600 posts here over the last 5.5 years. Its safe to say I've bothered to think about this stuff.


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jar
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Message 97 of 109 (570912)
07-29-2010 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 11:26 AM


on souls and ancestry
Bolder-dash writes:

Let me explain something to you that might help clear things up a bit for you, because you seem confused to me.

First, I am asking Catholic Scientists why HE holds this belief. You see, you are by definition not capable of answering why HE believes this unless you are in fact him. I think this is known as the "individualist school of thought ownership"-or in some circles also known as the "who the fuck was asking you what he thinks" brand of intellectualism. Its a post-modernist thought I concede.

Does anything in that rant refute any of the things I said or are you simply unable to address the points I raised?

Bolder-dash writes:

Secondly, there may be evidence of common ancestry, but there is virtually no evidence of the mechanism for that.

In addition to that being irrelevant to the issue I addressed, it is also simply wrong.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Huntard
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Message 98 of 109 (570913)
07-29-2010 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by New Cat's Eye
07-29-2010 11:28 AM


Catholic Scientist writes:

Those foxes evolved. No ifs ands or buts.


"They're still foxes!" coming up in 5, 4, 3....

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Bolder-dash
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Message 99 of 109 (570915)
07-29-2010 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by New Cat's Eye
07-29-2010 11:28 AM


I think this sort of depends on what you mean by evolution-evolution as a general concept, or evolution as a Darwinian/natural selection kind of thing (for that there really isn't any evidence at all as it turns out-just lots of conjecture).

I don't doubt at all your subjective evidence for a soul. I think that is what one would expect one's experience of a soul to be. Most people already have accepted that they are not going to be sent a hand delivered letter of authenticity from above.

I just have a hard time philosophically coupling a notion of unguided, unintelligent evolutionary drive with the concepts of a unique relationship between a spirit and a human. But as you have stated, you don't necessarily believe in a classical Darwinian evolutionary theory, so I can understand more easily how you can reach your beliefs.


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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 100 of 109 (570916)
07-29-2010 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 11:26 AM


Secondly, there may be evidence of common ancestry, but there is virtually no evidence of the mechanism for that.

The mechanism for common ancestry is reproduction - and I'm sure you've seen the evidence for that yourself.


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ringo
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Message 101 of 109 (570917)
07-29-2010 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 11:07 AM


Bolder-dash writes:

I am a troll that is hijacking my own thread?


You're probably too young to remember Richard Nixon's re-election in 1972. I recall an editorial comment from the time to the effect that America had chosen a smart crook (Nixon) over an honest fool (McGovern).

To this day, when somebody claims to be an honest fool instead of a smart crook, I usually take his word for it.


Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 102 of 109 (570918)
07-29-2010 11:48 AM
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07-29-2010 11:38 AM


Catholic Scientist writes:

Those foxes evolved. No ifs ands or buts.


"They're still foxes!" coming up in 5, 4, 3....

Micro-evolution still counts as evolution.


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Message 103 of 109 (570919)
07-29-2010 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 11:41 AM


I think this sort of depends on what you mean by evolution-evolution as a general concept, or evolution as a Darwinian/natural selection kind of thing (for that there really isn't any evidence at all as it turns out-just lots of conjecture).

Well, evolution (small "e") is an observed fact. The Theory of Evolution is the best explanation for that observation that I have seen. Really, its the only explanation I have.

(for that there really isn't any evidence at all as it turns out-just lots of conjecture).

That's just plain old wrong.

But as you have stated, you don't necessarily believe in a classical Darwinian evolutionary theory

No, I do accept it. There's plenty of evidence to suggest it, and not one single piece of evidence to refute it.


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molbiogirl
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Message 104 of 109 (570943)
07-29-2010 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 10:49 AM


Re: Early tetrapods and tear ducts
It's not "my" theory. Google "lacrimal duct evolution sebaceous gland" and see for yourself.

You asked about the evolution of tear ducts, I answered.

Why is it difficult to believe that a duct lined with cells that secrete watery substances evolved into a duct lined with cells that secrete tears?


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Dr Adequate
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Message 105 of 109 (571023)
07-29-2010 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
07-29-2010 11:41 AM


The mechanism for common ancestry is reproduction - and I'm sure you've seen the evidence for that yourself.

Or maybe he's a storkist.


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