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Mammuthus
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Message 46 of 50 (17701)
09-18-2002 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by mopsveldmuis
09-18-2002 12:31 PM


No, we are born with all the necessary "software" to receive input, process it and act in response to that. The programming part was done when God created us.
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And now you are going to provide evidence for the last sentence or admit that you cannot and are lying

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Originally posted by nos482:
Plus information isn't lost since we still retain many of our primative instincts.

Our "primative" instincts are in many cases a means of survival, so they would obviously not be lost. However, if blonds stopped taking part in human reproduction completely (both male and female), a few generations down the line the blond hair gene can die out completely. We do not see cases of natural blue or purple hair, because it was never a part of human genes and never will be.
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I addressed this issue in a reply to you which you duly ignored because you A)cannot understand simple genetics B) ignore data that demonstrates your fairy tale is false

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Originally posted by nos482:
What problems?
Modern dating techniques seems to indicate to a young earth.
Molecular biology is also showing that homology doesn't help evolusionists, because similar structures in different creatures are specified by different genes.
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You going to provide evidence for this patently false statement?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:
Afraid? With your idea we are nothing more than puppets to the will of your god, that nothing we come up with is actually ours to call our own. We didn't earn our intelligence, it was handed to us at the say so of your god. That is a far more scary thought than what is actually the truth.

No, I believe that there is something better than this world, commonly called heaven, where there is no death or sickness or poverty or crime. I don't see what is so scary about that.[/B]


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Fine if you believe it..there is no evidence for it but don't misrepresent evolutionary theory to comfort yourself. Learn something about it first. Otherwise you are just embarrassing yourself.


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mopsveldmuis
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Message 47 of 50 (17707)
09-18-2002 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Rationalist
09-17-2002 10:52 AM


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Are you so sure? Do you know the physical capabilities of our brains, of modern computers?

Can a computer work out a algorythm to break a code or learn to really understand a language like we do?

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Do complicated calculations of the external environment and body movement and it's effect, for instance to catch a ball.
Robots have been trained to catch balls.

And what else can it do then? Run, trip, lose the ball, regain balance and then try to catch it again?

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Learn to understand a complicated language system made up of visual and audio inputs without any help from the outside.
Computers have been taught to do this to a remarkable degree.

OK show me the computer that can learn a language in the same way that a baby does.

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Store the complete account of what you sensed, thought and felt during your whole life. The human mind does not do this.

How come people under hypnosis can remember just about anything from their past.

[QUOTE]Feel and show and try to control emotions based on memory and present experience. Computers do this about as well as humans. Emotions are trivial to produce in software.[/QOUTE]

When you talk about producing emotions in software you are revealing the fact that it is a human controlling the computer's emotions.

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Computers are great at doing things simultaneously.

No, because of serial processing they slow down as tasks become more.

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We can't even make a computer conscious of it's own existence..
This is practically the easiest thing to do with a computer, make its own state a part of its perceptual space. Again, as with emotions, it's not the self perception that is difficult, but the REST of the large scale awareness and cognitive functions that we consider human.

Like you said, the computer can't be truly aware of itself or the world around it or the people that it is interacting with in the same sense as humans do. It can't hope or dream or enjoy life.

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The design of our minds is inherently flawed. We've evolved to make invalid causal inferences, to respond to environmental stress with xenophobia and hate, to randomly believe in a variety of nonsense based on little or no evidence. We can not truly understand abstract mathematics, or theories such as quantum mechanics or relativity. We find it extremely difficult to learn and remember new information, languages, knowledge. Or memory is imperfect, and we progressively lose what we know imperceptibly as it is overwritten with new impressions.

God created us to live and interact with Him, our environment and with each other, not just to process information. Would you really prefer life without any emotions or hopes or dreams or love just so you can remember everything even though it doesn't mean anything to you? Without the lifegiving spirit that God has put inside of us that enables us to love & hate and to be happy or sad and to hope for a better tomorrow, we would have been nothing.

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There are a wide variety of problems with our current mental architecture. These can and probably will be corrected eventually.

God gave us enough intelligence to realise who we are and if we are really honest with ourselves, that we need Him. And He gave us emotions so that we can experience His love for us and love Him back aswell.


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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 4582 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 48 of 50 (17709)
09-18-2002 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by mopsveldmuis
09-18-2002 1:15 PM


quote:
Store the complete account of what you sensed, thought and felt during your whole life. The human mind does not do this.

How come people under hypnosis can remember just about anything from their past.
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LOL!!!! People under hypnosis can generate completely false memories if directed by someone.

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Computers are great at doing things simultaneously.

No, because of serial processing they slow down as tasks become more.
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Ok, let's see you calculate the square root of 134545454545 while reciting the first act of Othello and building a ship in a bottle at the same time and see if YOU don't slow down a bit.

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We can't even make a computer conscious of it's own existence..
This is practically the easiest thing to do with a computer, make its own state a part of its perceptual space. Again, as with emotions, it's not the self perception that is difficult, but the REST of the large scale awareness and cognitive functions that we consider human.

Like you said, the computer can't be truly aware of itself or the world around it or the people that it is interacting with in the same sense as humans do. It can't hope or dream or enjoy life.
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How do you know anyone else does? How do you know you do? What is intelligence? What is self awareness?

God created us to live and interact with Him, our environment and with each other, not just to process information. Would you really prefer life without any emotions or hopes or dreams or love just so you can remember everything even though it doesn't mean anything to you? Without the lifegiving spirit that God has put inside of us that enables us to love & hate and to be happy or sad and to hope for a better tomorrow, we would have been nothing.
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God did not create us and does not exist and yet I do not live a life without emotions, hopes, dreams, or love.
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God gave us enough intelligence to realise who we are and if we are really honest with ourselves, that we need Him.
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If you are really "honest" you would admit you have no proof of this.

And He gave us emotions so that we can experience His love for us and love Him back aswell.
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To bad there is no evidence for him or any experience of his love.


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CardS
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Message 49 of 50 (21726)
11-06-2002 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by John
07-31-2002 9:49 AM


Obviously you've never been to Belgium
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Peter
Member (Idle past 2030 days)
Posts: 2160
From: Cambridgeshire, UK.
Joined: 02-05-2002


Message 50 of 50 (22202)
11-11-2002 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by mopsveldmuis
09-18-2002 1:15 PM


[B][QUOTE]
OK show me the computer that can learn a language in the same way that a baby does.
[/B][/QUOTE]

OK give me an exact algorithmic breakdown of how a baby
learns language and I'll see what I can do.


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