God created evolution

Hi Shadow, Agreed. Really? That's not a definition that I've ever seen in a dictionary. Care to provide a citation for that definition there fella? By which definition? The one you just made up? Oh sure. You can win any argument if you are willing to arbitrarily redefine the terms to encompass your conclusions. Round these parts though, we would call that "Begging the Question". It's an informal logical fallacy. It's not going to impress anyone.Perhaps you would have more luck if you stuck to the generally recognised meanings of words in the English language. But using that logic, there could never be any evidence for any supernatural being and we would never be able to even speculate about their intentions or wishes. Personally, I can live with that, but I'm a little surprised that you want to...Mutate and Survive

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On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

Okay, you have provided one single definition. However, this is not the only possible definition of the term "supernatural", there are others. You know this already of course; you will have seen them there on the page when you cherry picked the one most useful to your argument. This is a trick known as No webpage found at provided URL: "equivocation".You don't get to enforce which meaning of a word you prefer to use. There are plenty of other meanings of the word "supernatural" that do not entail anything "all knowing, all powerful, all loving and eternal" as you put it. You've already been shown several examples of supernatural beings that do not fit these criteria.It occurs to me, that if you mean the Christian God, you could just say so. it would mean that you wouldn't have to go into all this odd business over the definition of supernatural beings. What you really seem to be getting at is that the Christian God is beyond our judgement. In which case, how can we claim that God is good?Mutate and Survive

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On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

Hi Shadow, Right, okay. Of course, if you had simply said God all along, people need not have wasted their time explaining to you that leprechauns aren't all knowing. You don't seem to be paying attention. We have already established that you gave a definition, not the definition, since there is more than one definition of the term supernatural. But let's forget about that for now and concentrate on your larger problem. Right. So when Christians say that God is good, they are making judgement upon God, and thus committing an act of hubris. If we cannot judge God, then we can make no positive judgements, as well as negative. it cuts both ways.That pretty much leaves the whole of Christianity defunct. It leaves the Bible authors themselves guilty of enormous hubris. You keep ignoring this point. You tell Dr A that you do not judge God, but have faith that he is good. that strikes me as even worse. For all you know, God could be every bit the monster that the Bible portrays him as, but you have no way of knowing. All you have is faith that he is good. That is rather pathetic. It is reminiscent of apologists for dictators, like those who still seek to excuse tyrants like Stalin or Mao. Yes, the playground insult argument. Very nice. Stay classy Shadow. Oh, you do know that this thread is supposed to be about how "God Created Evolution" don't you? Care to address that topic at all? No?Mutate and Survive Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

Hi Shadow, Actually, that's exactly what I've been trying to impress upon you. You have simply decided, arbitrarily, to believe in a good God, despite the fact that you know nothing about him. You cannot judge God, either by your own standards regarding supernatural entities, or by objective evidence. You have a blind assumption, lead only by emotional appeal, that is all. I suspect that what you feel is nothing other than the love that is inside yourself. It is yours, part of you. You shouldn't cheapen it by attributing it to an unknowable outside agency. So you judge him to be good, because that is what you want to believe. And let us be clear, this is certainly a moral judgement, whatever you try to call it. You believe this despite the fact that you also believe that you cannot judge God. This practice of holding two mutually incompatible ideas is called No webpage found at provided URL: "cognitive dissonance". We all experience cognitive dissonance; it's just that your posts to this thread have contained some especially nasty examples of it.I think you have told me plenty. I think you've effectively told me that your faith rests upon a foundation of logical fallacy and emotion. I think that if you took the time to examine this house of cards, you would see how flimsy it truly is.Mutate and Survive Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage