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Author Topic:   Has The Supernatural Hypothesis Failed?
crashfrog
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Message 74 of 549 (573132)
08-10-2010 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
08-09-2010 10:29 PM


Re: Defining terms
String theory and N-branes don't explain the supernatural. Mental illness, which has a far higher incidence in any population than accounts of any supposed supernatural doings, explains the "supernatural."
To reiterate - people don't see aliens because of 10 spacial dimensions, they see aliens because they're hallucinating.

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crashfrog
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Message 107 of 549 (573360)
08-11-2010 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
08-10-2010 10:20 PM


Re: Defining terms
To a person, the science buffs here at EvC are not studied on the remarkable Biblica prophecies
Which makes it all the more surprising how easy they are to refute. "Prophecy" is a mug's game, Buz. Even the Greeks knew that, four thousand years ago. And prophecy is even easier when you can write the prophecies down after the fact and pretend they came before - ala the Bible.
The dispersement and end time restoration of Israel
Don't you think any putative "state for Jews" would have been located in the Middle East and been called "Israel"? When you know about the prophecy and work to make it happen in some form, that's not prophetic.
I've been studiously into them and daily reading the Bible for over 60 years, since a teenager.
There are a lot of other books. Some more recent. Maybe you could check them out?
LOL on the theology that the monks teach.
Right, I mean they've only devoted their lives to the study of theology, whereas you... are what, again?
I've long known that it seems to be endemic to creationists to reject the very idea of expertise, but I had no idea that their rejection extended to their own co-religionists. There's really no one at all you're prepared to consider more knowledgeable on a subject than yourself, is there. Buz? Unless of course they already agree with you?

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crashfrog
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Message 161 of 549 (575062)
08-18-2010 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by petrophysics1
08-18-2010 5:16 PM


Re: Stories as evidence
Your lack of observation has nothing at all to do with the existence of my dog and the way he hunted.
But your lack of evidence gives me a reason to disbelieve you, if I choose. A dog that hunts is something I may decide to just take your word about, but then I may not if you have a history of prevarication and dishonesty. Without evidence it's my choice.
No...not unless you create a "Strawman"on what supernatural is, remove evidence on a whim if it doesn't fit your POV, and assume you have looked at and KNOW EVERYTHING in the physical universe.
We don't have to "know everything" to know when a proposition hasn't been supported by evidence.

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crashfrog
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Message 181 of 549 (576743)
08-25-2010 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Straggler
08-25-2010 12:34 PM


Re: False Premise Or Assuming Impossible?
The existence of something which is neither derived from nor subject to natural laws is NOT logically impossible. Therefore it is logically possible.
Could you run me through the logic, here? Show your work, I mean?
This seems like a jump to conclusions, frankly. Is your evidence that it is not logically impossible that no one has yet proven that it is logically impossible? That's not a logical proof, that's a fallacious argument from ignorance.

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crashfrog
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Message 200 of 549 (577230)
08-27-2010 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Straggler
08-25-2010 1:52 PM


Re: False Premise Or Assuming Impossible?
I never said it was a logical proof.
Oh.
I thought that since you were saying "logical" this and "logical" that, you might have actually done some logic.
Well, carry on.

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crashfrog
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Message 335 of 549 (583349)
09-26-2010 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by Jon
09-26-2010 1:01 PM


Re: Has The Supernatural Hypothesis Failed? Yup.
Science only permits natural explanations. It has no way of dealing with supernatural ones.
Why wouldn't the scientific method of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, and communication be able to be applied to potentially supernatural phenomenon? Be specific. If science has no way of dealing with the supernatural then how would scientists even recognize the supernatural to be able to say "oops, supernatural! Better not try science this time."
Let's say that one obtuse scientist doesn't get the memo and tries to apply the scientific methods of investigation to Mentok, the Mind-Taker:
widely recognized for his swingin' dinner parties, sharp judicial acumen, and of course his supernatural powers of mental domination.
Explain precisely what goes wrong when science is applied to this supernatural phenomenon. Be specific.

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crashfrog
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Message 472 of 549 (585647)
10-09-2010 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by Jon
10-08-2010 11:26 PM


Re: Supernatural hypothesis can and do get tested
Supernatural abilities aren't spells and don't trigger attacks of opportunity, but they are suppressed by anti-magic fields. They aren't subject to spell resistance and never require Concentration checks. The saving throw DC for a supernatural ability is equal to 10 plus one-half the caster's hit dice, plus their key ability score modifier.

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