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bluescat48
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Message 25 of 313 (572952)
08-08-2010 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by marc9000
08-08-2010 8:49 PM


Something I’ve never seen thoroughly explored before is how separation of church and state is a two-way street. When the subject comes up, it’s important to distinguish if the discussion is about protecting the state from the church, or the church from the state. In quotes from the US founders, it’s usually about the latter. In political issues of today, it’s usually the former.
Except for one point that you are obviously missing. Protecting the state from religion is also protecting religions from any specific religion, which is what the separation is about. Freedom from religion is freedom of religion. The reason that it appears the former is the blatant attempt by fundies to install ultra conservative Christian ideals into the US government.

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bluescat48
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Message 127 of 313 (576043)
08-22-2010 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by marc9000
08-22-2010 2:46 PM


So it's clear that separation of church and state is two dimensional. In the sense that Jefferson used it 200+ years ago, it was intended to protect the church from the state. In the sense that it's used today, it's intended to destroy the free exercise of religion.
No it does not. It allows you to practice your religion, and everyone else the means to practice his. Without it Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc. would still be discriminated by Christians as they previously were and one can see that even with the separation, the idiocy that those who are against the Muslim Civic center in New York are using to prevent it being built. Religious bigotry has no place in government and the government has no right to prefer one religion over another. The separation aids both. Freedom from religion is freedom of religion.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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