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Are you certain that they will actually fire when they are that sticky?

I've gotta say that I usually only see this level of denial in raging-homophobes. But it's bloody obvious that you're suffering from a very strong case of closet anglo-philia - you just can't bear the idea that you'll never be Liz's bitch. To be honest, she wouldn't want a wanker like you anyway. That said, I am related (by marriage) to her favourite footman, so if you want to grovel at her feet for a while in the vain hope that she may just grant you a millisecond of notice, I can probably swing it. Let me know...

I think it is blatently obvious from the news and especially some of the respondants here that you do not live in a "civilised" society - with the obvious caveat that "civilised" is massively subjective and I am giving my opinion.To describe the situation - that someone whilst drunk is shot and killed for trying to enter a house that he thought was his own - as unfortunate condemns your society as, amd I think the correct term is, "seriously fucked up".

Yep - seriously fucked up: "Do as I tell you" , "No!", "ok, die"Makes Chechnya seem a lot more hospitable...

He was killed - dead - his life was destroyed - his family devastated - over a mistake He was killed - dead - his life was destroyed - his family devastated - over a mistake He was killed - dead - his life was destroyed - his family devastated - over a mistake Does that help?

This was not ending his own life. This was someone else ending it. And yes, these things happen. The extent to which they happen is a fairly good indicator of how far from civilised a society can be considered. And the good ole US is not stacking up too well based upon this thread... Because to me and to that guy's family, they are irrelevant. You are so entrapped within your own society's bizarre fixation with guns and deadly force that you just cannot even sense the possibility of becoming more civilised; cannot begin to consider that deadly force is something that should not ever be considered unless it is of the last resort.Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

I was principally refering to your police force.

Gun homicides UK 2006-07: 59 source
Knife homicides UK 2006-07: ~240 source
Gun homicides US 2005: 10,100 sourceSo UK gun and knife homicides ~5 per million capita
and US gun only homicides ~33 per million capitaLet's talk again when you get that down a bit...

Please see the stats in my above post. The only reason we're discussing homeowners is that they have easy access to lethal force (in the US). I'd argue exactly the same - actually more vehemently - against being able to carry weapons in public. No - someone died. In this country, that is no small thing. Life is just much cheaper in the US. I would defend myself to what I felt was necessary. I would apply appropriate force or flee if was the better option. Would I try to kill my opponent? No, not unless it was absolutely necessary.

Err, that's a range of legal ownership from a max of 2.06% of the population down to 1.61%. How much effect do you think that would ever have on total violent crime? I'm trying to bring some relevance to the evidential statistics here. Please help by vetting your own. No, you're less civilised because you (generic) "worship" guns and the ownership of guns, and have a serious lack of regard for human life outside your own family and friends. You, crash, seemingly exemplify this latter quality in this thread and I am rather surprised. Yeah, and the quicker you kick that shit out and grow-up as a nation, the better.

oh crash, dragging out stereotypes is not becoming...But if it makes you happy - I'll pay to have all the remaining violent wankers shipped over to you, and you can use them for traget practice.