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this is one of the shittier things about Virginia (it is a free to flee state). no castle doctrine here Still "I'd rather be Judged by 12 than carried by 6"I am not sure a handgun is always the best for home defense anyway. A shotgun is where home defense is. the sound of the pump action would be scarier than the sound of the slide of a semi-auto sliding the 1st round into the chamber. plus unless you use a hallow point cartridge (which you should for home defense), then you have to be aware what is behind the intruder and on the other side of the wall behind that (another great reason to use shot).

of course. the only time I am home is in the evening, and its dark then, I am not going to wait until "i see" that they have a weapon, I'll draw down with my glock, and send 10 hallow points, and reload and send 10 copper jacketed rounds if I have too.I'll justify a shooting when I see them, and I will have them in my sights before I say one word, now wether I shoot or not is hard to say, but I will be ready to shoot. I always keep two loaded 10 round magazines for my 9mm, and 10 rounds (7.62mm X 39)loaded for the carbine. If i go down I'm going down swinging (hopefully shootin). word.

I only rent a small 1 bdrm apartment (less than 800 sq feet), and I own a handgun too. when you break into my place you are about 15 ft from me at all times. I think you have a solid plan, but I just recently purchased a Mossberg 500 12 gague shotgun, instead of yelling i think I'll just pump one shell into the chamber, everyone knows what that sound means. The rest of your plan sounds great. do you have a LED flashlight mounted on your handgun? it would be great for illuminating the darkness, and giving you a better shot. But yeah I hear you about target ID, I have a drunken cousin, that likes to randomly wander over to my brother's house at odd times in the night, and while it may be anoying I'd hate for him to get shot, for being an idiot. Pul-leeze!?! trained as in they have to go to the range 1/year and qualify hitting targets at ranges of 5yds, 10 yds, and 20 yds. I shoot on a weekly (not yearly basis), I have not met a police officer that can shoot a handgun better than me. I am sure they are out there, but I have not met them as of yet. Which is why I use 2 3/4inch 12 gague, target load winchester bird shot, and why I mentioned the use of the superiority of shotguns for home defense, like back on page two. The importance is of this that a target load is lethal to a human at about 20yds or less, but it will not penetrate the floor, celing, or walls of the interior of a domicile like a copper jacketed pistol round will. I am not sure it matters what I think, as that is the way things are. I am an avid bass fisherman, and I fish at least 1/week; when I am fishing a stream or river, I will not exit the river or water onto private property, because I know the possible consequences; I would not fish a private pond for the same reason, you can get shot for that. and its your fault for tresspassing. yes. It only has to be percieved, you are defending yourself, and your home. I do not think that "servants of the crown" or pedantic liberals will ever understand this. and letting others take as long as they don't threaten you "physically" makes people into nothing but helpless victims. are you by any chance female? because that sounds like a female attitude. ...wow...that is doubtful, I would like to see an example of a homeowner who has defended themselves with lethal force, or more than ONE occasion. I would say the 1st time is enough, if it happens more often, well I just cant think of any examples where it has. most of the time word gets out that the d00d in that house will shoot you if you tresspass and he probably never gets a tresspasser again. here it is an unalienable right given to us by a higher power, i figured you wouldn't understand and I was right.Look we have two different societies, you have a Queen, and I have a President, do what y'all want up there, we got this down hurr. nope, that is how it works. I bet they don't in Louisiana.

36/50 states have it. Unfortunately the commonwealth of Virginia does not, but I would just have to take my chances in court, and I would. I am not sure of any firearm owner that I know who would retreat his home if it was intruded into, so I think that is how it is. plus i only have one door, and i am not jumping off the 5th floor.Florida is a pretty decent state for gun laws, what would you do? Hmm that is tricky. I wade in the creeks, so I wouldn’t have a boat or kayak, and where I fish in the Potomac river (between Harpers Ferry and Point of Rocks), I have capsized the kayak before (I still think I had to much to drink that day), but the water is maybe 5ft deep in the deep spots. Hmm lets say I had to go to shore for something, I would go to the north shore (Maryland), where it’s a crazy blue state and guns are practically illegal, rather than the south shore (Virginia). And after September I always have some Blaze-Orange on. This person probably means nothing to you, but oh well, I tend to agree with him. 36/50 states do. That is 72% of the states.
What in your opinion constitutes many? Because 72% of states do, which is almost a majority. I would say most US states have adopted it. Well said. Well I am an experienced shooter. I shoot competitively 1/month, and practice every week.
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America, fuck yeah. An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- Robert A. Heinlein Is this a joke? Are you being serious?
Either you no little of criminals, or little about guns, or both. Most criminals get their guns through straw purchases, and by stealing them. They are not going to bring bigger guns when they break in to steal a microwave (because they have to carry the microwave out), now if they are assassins or something then maybe, but how often does that happen? It is far more easy for a law abiding citizen to obtain a big gun for defense than it would be for a criminal to get one and carry it around. Lol you were being serious. Just please stop, lol. I don’t want to have to educate you on gang stuff as well as gun stuff, one thread at a time. Gangbangers defend their hood, they may break in somewhere, but they aint in my neighborhood, the popo would be on them before they found my residence, and they usually carry small pocket guns in .22, .25, and .32 calibers. If you think they all got AKs you been listening to too many studio ganstas. Sheesh!

I can't say much about all Canadians, but those I have met from Sault Ste. Marie, Ottowa, and Atikokan (Ontario-ians), were no more polite than anyone else, actually the Sault Ste. Marie crowd was the opposite of polite.In Saskatchewan, I bet many of the home intruders are bears, and other dangerous wildlife (puma, elk, bison, coyote, wolves, etc.), are you telling me that Canadians just hide and call the cops if bears are about? or would they grab a slug-gun, or maybe even a 30-06?

What is really uncalled for is even trying to explain gun rights and gun laws to people from Canada or the UK, or any Subjects to the House of Windsor. They can’t understand, and refuse to understand, just like I cannot understand why one would ever tolerate to have a Queen. I hear about being civilized and modern thought, all the while from people who live in a system of an ancient design like a monarchy. It’s quite hilarious. Who you (we) should be explaining this too, is the American libs, no one else really even matters. Who is being stubborn? It was plainly explained, you are the one with a ton of hypothetical situations trying to find an excuse that would not be fine for someone to defend themselves. The plan was fine, some people do not need the police to defend themselves. OMG when will it stop!?! The castle doctrine doesn’t cause anything. It is not an enabler. People are not droids that receive their programming from the legal system. I find such an opinion absolutely ludicrous.The 2nd amendment give individuals the right to own firearms, and the right to use them. Any citizen in America from 12/15/1791 — to the present day, who was threatened either by Amerindian, Bear, Wolf, Coyote, Burglars, Thieves, Home Intruders, etcetera and possessed a firearm could (and most would) use it in self defense of their person, property, and family. No matter how untrained and inexperienced.The Castle Doctrine is a law that protects Americans from legal action against them, when they were in their homes acting in self defense. In the past the castle doctrine was implied, because it is common sense, but in recent times as people got sued by the intruders they shot, or were singled out by liberal and overzealous state’s attorneys; a law (the castle doctrine) had to be created to preserve the age old idea and legislate common sense for those without it.It is unfortunate, but explaining common sense to a liberal about guns, is about as easy as teaching a monkey mathematics. Lol, you sound as knowledgeable on this subject as one of the Crown subjects. I clearly stated I would go to the Maryland side to exit the river instead of the Virginia side. Maryland has a form of the Castle Doctrine, while Virginia does not. Virginia is a duty to retreat state. Why would I go to the caste doctrine state? Because Maryland is a blue as Illinois, and Wisconsin, and much fewer residents in that state own firearms, because they are harder to own and transport. In Virginia almost everyone I know at least owns at least one firearm. I am never worried about the castle doctrine when I am trespassing on someone’s property, because the castle doctrine doesn’t enable or allow people to shoot at me. The 2nd amendment allows for that. If someone feels threatened or does not want you in their backyard and want to shoot at you they can and will, with or without the castle doctrine.
BTW I think only in Louisiana can the property owner legally shoot trespassers in the way I quoted you. And the best part is, you have no clue what you are talking about on this topic. In most cases we are still not allowed, we as lawful gun owners are just protected from assholes who do not want us to the have ability to defend ourselves. Not much has changed.
Before, no one would ever find your body, and everyone would wonder what happened to you. Now your family can grieve because you were killed, while committing a crime. Face the facts, it a great law, you just don’t understand it like most things on this topic. I would bet you don’t even own a firearm, and if you do, you have probably only shot it once or twice, though I would not be surprised if you have never shot it. Your assumptions and opinions are very similar (if not the same) as someone who has never shot or handled a firearm and wants to explain his/her take on them Edited by Artemis Entreri, : forgot to proofreadEdited by Artemis Entreri, : doh

still putting words into my mouth and then argueing agaist what you said, i said (i think this is called a strawman).if you notice: notice that if "i have too" at the end. probably not. geniuses like yourself probably could never debate a point if they didn't take thinkgs out of context. uh no it won't there is no castle doctrine in the Commonwealth of Virginia, (i have only stated this at least twice before). I have no Castle Doctrine, I just wish I did. my thoughts exactly. my count is 37 states, i think the wikipedia page you referenced is outdated.retard thanks for being honest though this was very easy to determine solely based on your opinions on this matter. I have seen both sides, I am orinigally from the People's Republic of the Police State of Illinois; a place where gun are practically illegal, where everyone must be resgitered, and where we get geniuses like Barack Hussien Obama, and Richard Joesph Durbin. I just choose to error on the side of personal freedom.I am sorry if it offends you but you do not know much about guns or this topic, outside of the strawmen that you create from it. not everyone can know something about everything, there are many topics here i cannot comment on (like anything talking about the bible for example). it hard to keep up with make-believe ideas from make-believe land, LOLREEEEARRRRR! FUCK the queen

i could miss alot, in the dark with a gun in my underwear, half asleep, firing 10 rounds, and a reload of ten more doesn't take more than about 8-12 seconds on the fast end. maybe there is a firefight, there are all sorts of reasons to reload. Maybe there are 5 or more people who broke in and they didn't run after i started firing, there are all sorts of reasons.although this debate made me change my mind, last night I loaded a 33 round detachable magazine, now I can fire 33 without reloading."If you were a blind and deaf retard? " lol yeah that too. I may only have to fire once, I may not have to fire at all, I may grab the mossberg 500 instead, and only have 3 shots. I have a 12 gauge pump, and a 9mm glock ready for home defense (technically the AK-47 is ready as well, but I only keep 5 rounds in that magazine), my statement was simply that I will use what I have to defend myself to the last bullet, and I have 20: 9mm ready, 3: 2/24inch 12 gauge shells, and 5: 7.62mmx39. um...ok you called me out on something, or whatever, i have no idea what you mean but if calling AE on something is what you want then ok. I don't have to wait to see if someone has a weapon, I don't even have to say word to them, if I catch them in my apartment one night. ROFLMFAO!ok...wowanytime you get me on anything on this site, wether calling me out or whatever, just remeber i was "just joking" and "generalizing", and acting like a tween (onifre style). that was probably the fuinniest shit i have read from you this whole thread. I don't know man, Macs are pretty fukin horrible; unless of course you are yuppie, who is easy to market things too. um...ok whatever you say there hefe. To me the British are just like the French, except because I don't speak/read French, I don't have to listen to/see thier bullshit. it is over here.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

Agreed!I have been saying this all along, since this is not your issue, how about the Crown Subjects STFU (Shut The Fuck Up). This is an USA citizen issue, you will never understand and I do not expect you too. You staying out of it is the best idea you have had in a while. LOL.PWND. I disagree, unfourtunately lives that are saved, are not recorded.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think I figered out the Canadian Logic."Since I have had firearms in my home I have had no break ins, therefore having guns at home keeps criminals away." How did I do?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one from Florida has any room to talk about backwards states, and you know this.Actually its great out here in the richest county in america (according to Forbes), and Actually Virginia has, numerically more rich counties than any other state (11 in the top 25), including Florida which has zero in the top 25 counties. No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/In-the-money_-Local-counties-top-Forbes_-annual-_richest_-list-87172787.html

sure it "could" but I don't care what other countries do, thats on them and there people. because it IS.
this is a yank issue, not a teabag one.I liked how you attempted to dodge the fact that guns allow the older people and less physical people to defend themselves and thus equal the playing field with a jokingly mocking song, thus showing us all what a joke you and your thoughts are. LOL, this just proves you are a typical condesceding prick from Canada; and that you really haven't a clue what you are talking about (as usual). Dirty Harry!?! Damn how fukin old are you? are you like 60 or something? lol, I think Dirty Harry is before my time. I'm Martin Riggs!!! lolololol and this from the person who talks about idiots on the other side. lulz

you are only allowed to defend yourself if the attack is not black.that seems to be the popular opinion these days.