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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 3 of 453 (573053)
08-09-2010 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
08-09-2010 2:29 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:
For instance, the link I provided states that the Castle Doctrine stems from English Common Law. Since it is illegal for most ordinary citizens in Europe to own firearms, with limited exceptions, are you allowed to kill an intruder who is on your property and in your home? Does justifiable homicide exist, and if so, or if not, are there extenuating circumstances?
It all depends on the circumstances, yes you are allowed to defend yourself, but not "excessively" whatever that might be. Well, I can think of an example. Say, a burglar has broken into your home, and he has a knfe, he is threatening you with it, you get hold of a baseball bat and knock him out. So far, it's fine. What you are not allowed to do, is to then beat him to a pulp. He was incapacitated, that's your job doen.
However, in my country, I wouldn't be surprised of you got sued by the bastard even if you only knocked him out.
Given the prevailing law in your country, do you find the laws are reasonable or unreasonable? State why you find them (un)reasonable.
Unreasonable to an extent. I do not think you have the right to kill someone just because he was illegally in your home, I do however think that say, in the example I gave above, you should be free from persecution.

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 24 of 453 (573182)
08-10-2010 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
08-10-2010 9:57 AM


Re: The case of Tony Martin
jar writes:
If someone breaks into a house is that not a sufficient indication that there is a risk to the safety of those in the house?
I'd say so. Knock him the fuck out. Though the reporting on these cases in my country makes one suspect you will get sued for such an act. I don't know if it's really as bad as the media portray it, but every case like that is one too many, I'd say.

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Huntard
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Message 34 of 453 (573270)
08-10-2010 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Hyroglyphx
08-10-2010 10:53 AM


Re: The case of Tony Martin
Hyroglyphx writes:
There are some crazy rulings in favor of thieves against law-abiding homeowners. I heard a rumor (not sure if it's actually true) where a man successfully sued a homeowner for falling through his skylight.
I searched a bit, but nothing resembling this came up in Dutch news sources. Though I don't doubt this could've happened. Though I think that the judge would've thrown out the case.
Uhhhh, WTF were doing on his roof in the first place, that you'd have the audacity to sue him?
Yes, my thoughts exactly.
The judge should be disbarred from practicing law ever again, IMHO, for such a shitty ruling... Provided, of course, it's not an urban legend.
As far as I can tell, it is. I don't find our judges to be particularly stupid, even though the media might throw a tantrum from time to time.

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Huntard
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Message 83 of 453 (573609)
08-12-2010 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dogmafood
08-12-2010 6:48 AM


Re: My plan
Dogmafood writes:
At what point does property equal security of person.
Never.
They used to hang people for stealing horses.
They used to be wrong then.
I had asked previously if a hungry man deserves to die for stealing your food.
No.
Perhaps he does if it is the only food that you have.
No he doesn't. I can get more food.

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