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Its a lot easier to use a gun to stop someone from killing you in your home than it is to keep them out of your home by locking the door.

minor felony... nice oxymoronBut seriously, I think you have to look at it in a case-by-case basis. I can't know how the law is going to be applied to these blanket hypotheticals. I think if you killed someone because you *just* believed they were gonna steal something while they were *just* on your property, then it probably would count as some kind of misconduct. However, it is also possible that using deadly force would be justified in a situation outside of the home. You just can't say for sure without any specifics. Are you talking about the Halloween case? Your description is off a bit. And you've sugar coated it in a way as to make the Castle Doctrine look as bad as possible. And then you want to use that to judge the Castle Doctrine. No thanks.

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Its a lot easier to use a gun to stop someone from killing you in your home than it is to keep them out of your home by locking the door.
  —Catholic Scientist

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That's nonsense, of course. Once the door is locked, I don't even have to be home when the burglar tries to get in. If I am home, I don't have to be awake and if I do wake up I don't have to try to shoot in the dark while I'm still half asleep. It's obviously much, much easier just to lock the doors.Or maybe you meant it's more effective to shoot. But having a gun in the house also means that I'm more likely to shoot somebody I don't want to shoot, by accident.In any case, I'm not looking for an easy way out. I'm looking to do what works and locking the door works. Having a gun isn't even on the short list of alternatives.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

I see we have reached one of those inevitable points in our conversations where you cease to even pretend to make reasoned arguments.That inevitable point where you just start saying things based on your gut feelings. Gut feelings that you must be right - because to do otherwise might entail considering that you are wrong.

Don't you think reaching a point where discussion ceased to be possible was inevitable, given that you've been misrepresenting your opponents and the ideas under discussion from the word "go"?For that matter we didn't see a lot of willingness on your part to entertain the notion that you were wrong, did we? Oh, but I know how it works - Straggler doesn't have to wonder if he's wrong, because he knows that "nobody should die for a microwave", and that when thieves break into your home, why, nobody has anything to fear and you should just watch them march on out with your possessions. Maybe pop some popcorn and - oh, wait.

Who lit the fuse on your tampon?

Oh, I'm sorry - you should have mentioned that you weren't asking for replies to your petulant crowing. Sorry, don't let me interrupt your one-man victory party.

Oh the irony....... BOOM

I meant that given that they're in your home, its easier, or more effective, to use a gun to stop them from killing you than it is to use a door lock to keep them from getting in. Yes it is, my phraseology was pretty bad on that one. The proverbial you? Or you you?I've seen those stats, but they're not going to make me stop using the simple rules of gun safety.Just because other people are idiots doesn't me we have to be ones too. And that's fine, nobody is saying you should have a gun.Hell, in my parents' old town they don't even lock the doors!But some people do lock their doors, and some people do have guns to protect themselves.And the Castle Doctrine is there to protect those people.I don't see where you've explicitly explained your position on the Castle Doctrine. Though its been implied from all the nit picking you've done on other peoples positions

Your picture genuinely made me laugh out loud and spit beer in the process. A phenomenon otherwise known as "being Oni'd".But this thread has not been a total waste of time..........Crash (Make My Day) Frog and Catholic (Do You Feel Lucky Punk) Scientist are having a tender moment. United by their love of big weapons and infuriation at that pesky peacenik Straggler.But before our two gun-totin EvC hardmen get all Brokeback and misty eyed let me just say that I am delighted to have played my part in facilitating the budding of this fledgling romance.I guess all that now remains to be seen is who will shoot first.Stay Happy.

Agreed!I have been saying this all along, since this is not your issue, how about the Crown Subjects STFU (Shut The Fuck Up). This is an USA citizen issue, you will never understand and I do not expect you too. You staying out of it is the best idea you have had in a while. LOL.PWND. I disagree, unfourtunately lives that are saved, are not recorded.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think I figered out the Canadian Logic."Since I have had firearms in my home I have had no break ins, therefore having guns at home keeps criminals away." How did I do?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one from Florida has any room to talk about backwards states, and you know this.Actually its great out here in the richest county in america (according to Forbes), and Actually Virginia has, numerically more rich counties than any other state (11 in the top 25), including Florida which has zero in the top 25 counties. No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/In-the-money_-Local-counties-top-Forbes_-annual-_richest_-list-87172787.html

Do you think that the castle doctrine law can exist in countries where guns are essentially banned?I am slightly bewildered as to why all the Yanks in this thread think that the castle doctrine law must necessarily be synonomous with gun advocacy.Hardly anyone in the UK owns a gun. But you could still implement the castle doctrine in the UK. This would in practise allow people to skewer, bludgeon, garrote, lethally inject, stab, acid attack, kick or whatever else (use your imagination) people to death - Based solely on the belief that they are going to commit a felony if found on ones property.I am sure the Dirty Harry wannabe psychos of the UK would love such a law to be implemented. Even if their preferred method of death implementation doesn't involve guns at all.

BTWIs that you in the photo?

Not everybody. Guns level the playing field.Now grandma can take down your fat ass. Its not that it must, its that it does. But that doesn't prevent CD in gun-free zones.