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Author Topic:   The evolution of an atheist.
Trae
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Message 142 of 280 (575225)
08-19-2010 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Bikerman
08-19-2010 4:19 AM


By any other name.
Wouldn't Tacitus have include the name had he access to actual official records concerning a Jesus? Not having the person's name seems a strong indicator that we're talking at best third-hand information.

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Trae
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Message 197 of 280 (576618)
08-24-2010 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by GDR
08-24-2010 9:58 AM


Re: Theology and Imagination
GDR writes:
You say that you are an atheist which means that you believe that there is no god(s). You can't prove it so therefore you have to believe that you are correct. Atheism is a belief just as much as Christianity is.
GDR, you've been registered since 2005, is it really the case that you don't yet to understand that all beliefs are not equal?
The Earth goes around the Sun.
President Obama is a secret Muslim.
Both are beliefs. How silly would it be for me to say, "President Obama is a secret Muslim is a belief just as much as the earth goes around the Sun is a belief?" Even if both are beliefs (they are) considerable misrepresentation occurs when we add 'just as much.' One belief has tons of evidence supporting the position, while the other seems little more than wishful thinking and guilt by association.
Reasonably there are probably faith based atheists who have reached atheism entirely or nearly entirely though faith. I suspect they're less common then we might imagine. Even if they exist, this does not mean that all atheists beliefs are entirely supported by faith.
It is just as unfair to judge all atheistic beliefs on weak arguments for atheism as it would be to judge all Christianity on the basis of weak arguments. Wouldn't it be better to judge the best augments instead? If you're not Mormon you possibly don't find all the Mormon arguments convincing. And if you find the Mormon arguments convincing then likely you find some the arguments of one or more of the following to be weak: Catholics, Pentecostals, Seventh Day Adventists, Unitarians, Jehovah Witness, etc.
Look at it another way, is all disbelief all persons for the existence of Roman Gods entirely supported by faith only? Or in some cases is the disbelief of Roman Gods also supported by evidence?
It is probably more useful to think along the lines of how well supported a belief is or is not. The belief that the Earth goes around the Sun is very well-supported, while the belief of the existence of Roman Gods is not.
P.S. In the pure sense of the term atheist wouldn't be a belief. However, I am not convinced that one can in any depth defend one's atheism without developing beliefs about atheism.

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