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Author Topic:   The Kalam cosmological argument
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Message 6 of 177 (574364)
08-15-2010 1:58 PM
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08-15-2010 1:54 PM


But premise 1/2 can be replaced by anything that proves the universe is not infinite, like: if the universe excisted for an infinite time, we could not have a tomorrow. As we would have more than infinite days.

Not quite. Infinity plus one is still infinity.

But the question I have, is: what caused the big bang?
Because it either must have a cause, or a supernatural power created it.

Why? Why does something have to have a cause and even if it did, why could the cause not be something totally trivial?


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Message 29 of 177 (575668)
08-20-2010 6:46 PM
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08-20-2010 6:14 PM


But you forget one thing, God is almighty.

Assumes facts not in evidence.


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Message 53 of 177 (654236)
02-28-2012 10:09 AM
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02-28-2012 9:55 AM


Re: Reply to PAulK
The initial cause must be immaterial—it cannot be constrained by space sans the universe.

Huh? Why? It simply must be not part of this universe.

The cause must be timeless—it cannot be constrained by time sans the universe.

Huh? Why? It needs only to be not part of the space time of this universe?

The cause must be powerful in that it brings about creatio ex nihilo.

HUH? Why? There is lots of evidence that causes can be small, not powerful, transient and even destroyed by the very thing created.

The cause must be personal because creative acts are volitional, otherwise the entity would exist contingently.

Ah, so you try to slip in "creative" under some meaning other than causative. The classic example of the carny palm the pea trick.

The Kalam cosmological argument has never been anything more than a carny con.


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