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Author Topic:   Why complex form requires an Intelligent Designer
Archer Opteryx
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Message 57 of 165 (358251)
10-23-2006 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by KBC1963
10-22-2006 7:22 PM


Argument from Incredulity
Correction:
I do not find evolution's proposed system incredulus.
You mean incredible. Incredulous is what you are.
quote:
in·cred·u·lous adj.
1. Skeptical; disbelieving: incredulous of stories about flying saucers.
2. Expressive of disbelief: an incredulous stare.
-- The Free Dictionary
I find it impossible from a mechanical standpoint.
You are therefore incredulous and, your denial notwithstanding, saying you find the idea incredible.
This is the essence of the argument from incredulity. 'I find it hard to believe, therefore it cannot be true.'
This is a fallacy because an idea's validity does not rest on how easy or difficult one person finds it to accept.
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 79 of 165 (358353)
10-23-2006 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Taz
10-23-2006 3:44 PM


ID not creationism?
gasby:
Intelligent design and creationism are two different things.
That's news indeed. I'd like to see your math for this one.
The authors of Pandas and People substituted 'intelligent design' for 'creationism' throughout the text without modifying a single definition. It was a simple search-and-replace.
On that basis ID was ruled creationism in Kitzmiller vs Dover last December. See also Barbara Forrest's book Creationism's Trojan Horse.
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 83 of 165 (358370)
10-23-2006 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by subbie
10-23-2006 4:03 PM


Re: ID not creationism?
Subbie says:
But you're forgetting, my good Archer, that those people aren't the "true" IDers.
Of course! How could I forget?
True IDers hide the evidence better.
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 101 of 165 (358444)
10-24-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Taz
10-23-2006 8:39 PM


Re: On Design
gasby:
There are varying degrees of intelligent design folks out there. Some believe in an all powerful creator while others simply don't feel comfortable with a purposeless existence. I'm just trying to help out the ones (if they exist at all) that are noble enough to say "I don't know" when asked who the intelligent designer is.
By the way, it should be noted that I'm a hardcore atheist.
I appreciate the hat you're wearing in this discussion. Sorry I fluttered into the discussion late and took a minute to catch on. And yes, you are much more credible in this role than the leading Wedgies have been on their best day.
Do you think your atheism is what enables you to make a better case? Rather than having a pet belief to protect, you can go at it more from the stance of considering possibilities and the kind of evidence that would support the idea.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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