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Author Topic:   Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?
Tram law
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Message 149 of 406 (576282)
08-23-2010 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Coyote
08-22-2010 10:22 PM


Re: Cordoba
For one thing, it's not a mosque, it is a community center that contains a prayer area that is open to anybody that wants to go in and pray or contemplate the religious associations with 911.
In some parts of the world, especially in the Middle East, Mosques only allow non-Muslims in.
Edit:
And yes, I'd like to see part two of South Park episode 200. Comedy Central won't even release the episode or others that have followed after it to the website.
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Tram law
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Message 152 of 406 (576292)
08-23-2010 3:57 PM


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They are called torrents.
I know about torrents, but the thing is I'm very cautious about going to many sites like those because they are often attack sites.
Thanks.
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Tram law
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Message 153 of 406 (576294)
08-23-2010 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Huntard
08-23-2010 3:25 PM


Re: Cordoba
Wasn't that the reason for one of the Infitadas (sp?) against Israel, that Ariel Sharon visited a Mosque he was not welcomed at?
Also, from the wiki on mosques:
quote:
Under a few interpretations of Islamic law, non-Muslims may be allowed into mosques, as long as they do not sleep or eat there. The prevailing opinion is presented by followers of the Maliki school of Islamic jurisprudence, who argue that non-Muslims may not be allowed into mosques under any circumstances.[42]
The Qur'an addresses the subject of non-Muslims, and particularly polytheists, in mosques in two verses in its ninth chapter, Sura At-Tawba. The seventeenth verse of the chapter prohibits those who join gods with Allah polytheists from entering mosques:
It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: In Fire shall they dwell. (Yusuf Ali [Qur'an 9:17])
The twenty-eighth verse of the same chapter is more specific as it only considers polytheists in the Sacred Mosque, the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca:
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. (Yusuf Ali [Qur'an 9:28])

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Tram law
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Message 159 of 406 (576319)
08-23-2010 5:36 PM
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08-23-2010 4:09 PM


Re: Cordoba
Did you read the wiki quote?
And I am saying some mosques, not each and every single one of them.
For example, The Dome Of The Rock allows limited and restricted access:
quote:
The Dome is maintained by the Ministry of Awqaf in Amman, Jordan.[11]
Until the mid-nineteenth century, non-Muslims were not permitted in the area. Since 1967, non-Muslims have been permitted limited access, however non-Muslims are not permitted to pray on the Temple Mount.[12]
In 2006, the compound was reopened to non-Muslim visitors between the hours of 7:30-11:30 a.m. and 1:30-2:30 p.m. during summer and 7:30-10:30 a.m. and 1:30-2:30 p.m. during winter. Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering after 2:30 p.m. and may not enter on Fridays, Saturdays, or Muslim holidays. Entry is through a wooden walkway next to the entrance to the Hebrew Western Wall. Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering the mosques and accessing the Temple Mount through the Cotton Market. Visitors are subject to strict security screening, and items such as Jewish prayerbooks and instruments are prohibited.
Many Orthodox rabbis regard entry to the compound to be a violation of Jewish law. This is based on the belief that since the time the Temple was destroyed during the siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the precise location of the Holy of Holies, the sanctuary entered only by the High Priest, is not known. Hence a restriction applies to the entire compound. However, other rabbis believe that modern archeological and other evidence has enabled them to identify areas that can be safely entered without violating Jewish law. However even those opinions forbid Jews from entering the Dome of the Rock.[13]


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Tram law
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Message 173 of 406 (576357)
08-23-2010 8:45 PM
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08-23-2010 7:04 PM


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Would it surprise you to learn that the majority of people who actually live in New York City and thus would actually be affected by it support the building of the center?
How exactly are people being affected by the center besides just feeling insulted?
Does it cause mental harm? Cause people to become unhinged in some way?
Are the people of New York suddenly going to turn into a Muslim and worship Allah?
Are the skin color and ethnicity going to change somehow?

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Tram law
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Message 178 of 406 (576541)
08-24-2010 12:56 PM
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08-24-2010 1:58 AM


Re: Cordoba
Yeah, that's a typo. Sorry.
Let's try it like this:
Some mosques do not allow non-Muslims in.
Is that better?

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Tram law
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Message 203 of 406 (576609)
08-24-2010 6:30 PM


The thing is though, there are things Comedy Central won't censor. The only word that they censor is fuck and the also don't really censor cartoon sex or the cartoon gore either.
So it beats me why Mohammed is offensive but these things are not.
After all, haven't they been threatened for showing these things as well?

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Message 209 of 406 (576806)
08-25-2010 5:11 PM
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08-25-2010 10:48 AM


Also, the FCC has been overruled just recently:
Appeals court overturns FCC indecency rule:
quote:
NEW YORK, July 13 (UPI) -- A federal appeals court in New York ruled an FCC ruling on unscripted expletives on live broadcast television and radio violates the First Amendment.
The Los Angeles Times said the case stemmed from unscripted expletives entertainers Bono, Cher and Nicole Richie made on U.S. awards shows.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals Tuesday reversed the FCC's 2004 edict that declared even accidental bad language missed by network censors was a violation subject to fines for the stations that aired it.
"Under the current policy, broadcasters must choose between not airing or censoring controversial programs and risking massive fines or possibly even loss of their licenses, and it is not surprising which option they choose," Judge Rosemary S. Pooler wrote in Tuesday's 3-0 decision. "Indeed, there is ample evidence in the record that the FCC's indecency policy has chilled protected speech."
Appeals court overturns FCC indecency rule - UPI.com

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Tram law
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Message 244 of 406 (577517)
08-29-2010 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Rrhain
08-27-2010 3:23 AM


quote:
The biggest terrorist act that ever took place in the US before 9/11 was the destruction of the Federal Building in Oklahoma...carried out by a Christian.
Actually Timothy McVeigh probably wasn't a Christian.
From the Wiki:
quote:
In a recorded interview with Time magazine[80] McVeigh professed his belief in "a god", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.[81][82] McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[83]

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Message 246 of 406 (577543)
08-29-2010 2:13 PM
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08-29-2010 1:25 PM


Re: Distorted view of McVeigh
For every interpretation there is an equal and opposite interpretation.
For every blame there is an equal and opposite blame.

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Message 248 of 406 (577557)
08-29-2010 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Minnemooseus
08-29-2010 3:00 PM


Re: "The other guy did it too" is not a valid defense
One bad apple ruins the barrel.

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