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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, I don't really see the distinction. Both behaviors were destructive and if you weighed the two, I'd tend to think that the greater harm was all the kids molested.
BUT, my point is that bringing up 9-11 or Priest Pedophiles is simply playing to the mass hysteria audience. The fact is that in the US, Freedom of Religion is a basic Right, and it is the rights of the very religions that we might most dislike that we should work the hardest to protect. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, if you want a better analogy, is it OK to build a church in Salem? There seem to be 27 of them, which some might think tasteless.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hyro writes:
While I know what you mean, we all know using 9/11 to oppose the building of the mosque is just a lame ass excuse. Americans have been protesting the building of mosques around the country for as long as there have been people wanting to build mosques here. John Stewart, while being funny, made a really good point about this. I stated that there is no legal basis to bar it, however, from the perspective of those building it, they might want to consider that it almost certainly will be vandalized and/or suffer arson.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4662 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
As I said in my first post. I don,t really have an opinion on all this. I'm not american, nor was I very old when 9/11 happened. (This answer is equally valid to Dr.A's response I guess)
And on a side note:
Again, I don't really see the distinction. Both behaviors were destructive and if you weighed the two, I'd tend to think that the greater harm was all the kids molested. The priest-pedophilia connection is vastly overrated, read this article by a non-catholic author:Page not found - ZENIT - English Some of the main points: Priestly celibacy is not the issue - married men are more likely to abuse children than unmarried Most child abuse takes place within the home. All religious groups have pedophile scandals, and the Catholics (while the largest religious group) are at the bottom of the list statistically.Child abuse is prevalent in all areas of society: schools, youth organizations, sports, etc. Statistically, of all the professions, Christian clergy are least likely to offend. Doctors, Farmers and Teachers are the professions most likely to abuse children--not clergy. Among clergy offenders Catholic priests are least likely to offend.Catholic cases of pedophilia make more headlines because of anti Catholic prejudice and because the Catholic Church is bigger and more lucractive to sue. Pedophilia and Euphebophilia are different problems. The former is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. The latter is attraction to teenagers. Most cases branded 'pedophila' are actually 'euphebophila.' Most of the cases of euphebophilia are homosexual in nature, however the politically correct do not want this problem to be associated with homosexuality. (more here:AllAboutMothering.com Acquires MommyLife.net Domain - All About Mothering)
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
The priest-pedophilia connection is vastly overrated, read this article by a non-catholic author:Page not found - ZENIT - English So's the Islam-terrorism link.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4662 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Maybe, isn't relevant to my original point about your analogy though.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
That's right Timothy McVeigh only killed 168, and Eric Rudolph only killed 2. Though both did injure hundreds. I suppose Scott Roeder and the other abortion provider clinics don't count either.
I wont even go into the ancient history of the 1980's and earlier. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Even assuming all your statistics are true, my question is this:
Have any of those other groups of people done nearly as much as the Catholics to cover up past and enable future child molestation? Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4662 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Not my statistics, and I totally agree that covering up even one child molestation is morally wrong.
But sometimes I find it unfair to all those goodwilled priests that get constantly associated with pedophilia when in fact it's even less common amongst them then amongst a lot of other professions.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4662 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Their motivations were their christian beliefs ? ( I don't know either of them, sorry)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Gee, maybe you can learn something and do a quick google at least.
Yes their motivations were their christian beliefs. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Not my statistics So you post a link with purported statistics and now you refuse to even vouch for their accuracy. That must be against some sort of rule. How about you look at how the came up with the statistics and let us know if they are accurate. Until then I guess I will just have to assume that they are just bullshit. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
You beat me to it. I just read the post and was coming back to post it.
This graphic is a great representation of the situation.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4662 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
That sort of reply is why I hate having any sort of discussion with you.
How can I vouch for their accuracy, when I'm not the one who did the research ? However, Philip Jenkins is professor of history and religious studies at Penn State University, he wrote a book about ''The myth of the pedophile priest'' as he calls it. The burden of proof is on you to show any legitimate reason to think his research is bullshit. Until then you are just showing your bias.
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