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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 14 of 96 (574467)
08-16-2010 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by archaeologist
08-15-2010 7:59 PM


if evolution were true we would be finding evolutionary tales, bedtime stories, myths in the ancient records along with tales of intermediary species, and so on. there are NONE anywhere in the world.
Maybe the dinosaurs didn't like bedtime stories, or if they did it was just an oral tradition.
9. no record form the soldeirs standing guard that the ressurrection did not take place as recorded in the Bible.
I know. It's crazy. And there is no record from the soldiers either that it didn't rain pineapples, that the earth didn't turn into Dijon mustard, that people didn't start sneezing kangeroos.
i am involved in another forum who has a thread titled like this, unfortunately the people responding to it are not very educated and do not know what they are talking about.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 35 of 96 (574648)
08-17-2010 5:21 AM
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08-16-2010 5:43 PM


JUC writes:
And there is no record from the soldiers either that it didn't rain pineapples, that the earth didn't turn into Dijon mustard, that people didn't start sneezing kangeroos.
archeologist writes:
and why would they write about fantasy things? the disciples were going around telling others that their savior rose from the dead. to the romans and the pharisees, this was a group that could rally the people to rebel or cause them to lose their power and control.
the issue is quite different and one would expect that the enemies of the disciples would have written and preserved their opposition IF what the disciples said was untrue BUT since it was in jerusalem, there were ROMAN guards on watch, and so on...EVERYONE KNEW about the event and knew it was true.
It is commonly accepted that the Gospels were not written until several decades after Jesus died.
So it wasn't exactly as if the story of the resurection was on CNN or in the papers the next day!
If there really were any soldiers guarding Jesus' tomb (why would the Romans bother to have soliders guarding the tomb of a crucified Jew anyway?), the chances of those particular soldiers being remotely interested in some other Jews flapping about saying Jesus has risen from the dead, the chances of them understanding what the locals were saying, the chances of them even being aware of what was going on in other parts of the city, the chances of them being literate enough to write down their own thoughts, and the chances of any scribblings of theirs surviving to the present day, are astonishingly remote.
Furthermore, if they were going to write down anything at all, it would be the incredible experience of seeing someone rise from the dead and some angels roll back the stone that sealed his tomb.
What is incredible, if the resurection and other miracles were true, is that NOBODY wrote down anything at all about these events until several DECADES later!

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 48 of 96 (574680)
08-17-2010 9:21 AM
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08-17-2010 7:33 AM


you all think you think logically but you don't. with all the eye witnesses still alive, there was no need for the disciples to write it down but as the church grew, the need for a written record grew. it is not hard to see why the delay and it was not decades later, you would be lucky if it were 2.
And if the vast majority of those around at the time did not agree there was any resurrection, or at least did not witness anything, they wouldn't bother to write anything down as long as they were still alive in order to contradict a few people they probably regarded as somewhat eccentric.
A soldier given the lowly job of guarding a grave would not be thinking, "We'd better write down something to contradict what these nutters are saying, because in twenty or thirty years time when most of us are dead these rumours might still be going round and someone might write them down as if they were true, and in 2000 years time people might still believe it."
And the soldiers would definitely not have written anything down in the extremely likely event that they never existed.

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