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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Chimpanzees and Humans have extremely similar DNA to humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human) References:
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The sceince supports what Genesis has long taught but the scientists misnomered their findings. What they call "mitochondrial Eve" ought correspond with the mother of the three racial stocks called Ham, Shem, and Japeth in Gen 5:31, which says these three "sons" evolved 100 (thousand?) years before Noah went in to the ark. Y-chromosome "Adam" corresponds better to Noah, who would have been dated at the time of the mass extinction of Neanderthals around forty (40) thousand years ago. The first humanoid to appear was back around 7 milliion years ago, and was possibly sahelanthrpus...
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Some people try to say Y-chromosomal Adam lived 142,000 years ago by ignoring that estimate is alway a range,.e.; Y-Chromosome Adam lived between 60,000 and 142,000 years ago.
"DNA studies had estimated that Y-chromosomal Adam lived between 60,000 and 142,000 years ago." This still is an interesting time frame, because Genesis has the three "sons" of Noah born 100,000 years before the flood, that lasted 40,000 years is we agree that a day is/can mean a thousand years in the bible. This estimate bring Noah closer to Mitochondria Eve who was the mother that would correspond to the birth (evolution) of the three racial stocks of Modern man, Ham, Japeth, and Shem. But these tike frames are supportive of the appearance of Modern Homo sapiens, which DOES also start 150,000- 200,000 years. Recent new genetic evidence has uncovered a Y-chromosome in a very select and special group of men, (Africans), which sets the Noah species back way farther than his three "sons," as we ought expect. This ancient individual passed down his genetic legacy from father to son over 11,000 generations. In fact, Albert’s ancestor was so old he was probably a member of a different human species to us. Albert’s ancestor is our ancestor too. In human genetics, Y-chromosomal Adam is the name given to the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all living people are descended through the male lines of their family tree. Up to now, DNA studies had estimated that Y-chromosomal Adam lived between 60,000 and 142,000 years ago. The discovery that the Y-chromosome of Albert Perry’s ancestor diverged around a staggering 338,000 years ago means that that the Y-chromosomal Adam title now goes to him. http://www.abroadintheyard.com/...am-suddenly-got-much-older
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
So for people who CAN understand the correspondence between one man who was a common ancestor for all people living today, we can see that the Noah story dove tails perfectly with the facts.
1) Noah and this mitochondria "eve," lived 100 thousand years before the forty thousand year flood started. That would identify that common ancestor who we genetic think lived 142,000 years ago with Noah, and hence us. 2) The forty thousand year flood or duration of extinctions, ended and the agricultural Age of 10,000 years ago began, 19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. 20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 3) Verse 19 above is supported by the findings of science in that during that 40 thousand years modern man of three racial stocks poured in the Americas, and every land on the bglobe, to the tops of the mountains. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The reason we see ToE as indicated by genetics is that two of the normal 24 Ape chromosomes can be seen to have fused together in man who has only 23 chromosomes. This means that a new creature was evolved by an Act-of-God about 7 million years ago. After that extinction, 40,000 years ago, all other kinds of humanoids except those with the Y-chromosome of Noah disappeared. Modern Homo sapiens is the only kind of human left, and he carries evidence of having sexual relations with the "daughters of another kind of man," some think was Neanderthal man. All this is parallel information found in Genesis. My question to you is why don't you use this amazing analogy as evidence FOR the Bible instead of seeking to deny the science????
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Of course w have genes from all the people in the line of our ascent.
But the Y-chromosome is always passed down to males through that line of ascent that trails back to just those men who also had that exact same chromosome. Our mother's father is not included there. When the genetic studies show that all Jewish priests living today are related to just one man, presumaby Aaron, who lived in 1362BC, it means that all the males from that time forward were in their common ascent. The same thing for the genetic evidence, that we are all related throughour Y-chromosome to just one male who lived 60,000-142,000 years ago. It means that your mother's father had that same Y-chromosome as did your father.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron Y-chromosomal Aaron Thomas, et al. dated the origin of the shared DNA to approximately 3,000 years ago (with variance arising from different generation lengths). The techniques used to find Y-chromosomal Aaron were first popularized in relation to the search for the patrilineal ancestor of all contemporary living humans, Y-chromosomal Adam Y-chromosomal Aaron is the name given to the hypothesised most recent common ancestor of many of the patrilineal Jewish priestly caste known as Kohanim (singular "Kohen", "Cohen", or Kohane). In the Torah, this ancestor is identified as Aaron, the brother of Moses. The hypothetical most recent common ancestor was therefore jocularly dubbed "Y-chromosomal Aaron", in analogy to Y-chromosomal Adam. Although most priestly functions of the Kohanim (such as Temple sacrifices) ended with the destruction of the second Temple by the Romans in 70 CE, the identity of Kohanim has been carefully preserved throughout history. In traditional synagogues, a Kohen will always be the first person called to the Torah, will be asked to publicly bless the congregation at specified times, will be asked to bless a bride and groom at the wedding, and will be asked to "redeem" every first-born male child. Until recently, however, there was neither scientific support nor continuous written record to support the claim of patrilineal descent from Aaron.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
...to the first man, 7 million years ago...???? They are going back only as far as Moidern man who appeared about 142,000 years ago. In human genetics, Y-chromosomal "Adam," (which is a misnomer by science people who would have done better to have associated this common ancestor with Noah), is the name given to the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all living people are descended through the male lines of their family tree. Up to now, DNA studies had estimated that Y-chromosomal Adam lived between 60,000 and 142,000 years ago. Scientist who have tried promote interest in their research associated the link to a common ancestor with Adam, but that indicates their ignorance of Genesis, since the common ancestor for us all living today would be Noah. What is important here is that this FACT suppports the assumption that genesis was really saying Noah appeared about 40 THOUSAND years ago, not 40 "days", as I have been maintaing in my explanation of Genesis.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
So you can read yourself that modern humans evolved ABOUT 200,000 years ago, but only we living today avoided extinction because our Y-chromosome is linked to just one man, presumably Noah, who lived 142,000 years ago. ?
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
You are off... The 40,000 years refers NOT to the appearance of Noah, nor does it date the evolution of the three racial stocks which Genesis calls Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Check Gen 5:31 and Gen 7 to see that these Modern Homo sapiens were bor overn 140,000 years ago
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The first humanoid appeared when an ape surrogate mother with 24 Chromosomes experienced an Act-of-God by which two chromosomes fused together, creating a new creature in God with only 23 Chromosomes.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
...basically... two times that above response. 2X
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
It could be confusing unless one purposifully is trying to be obtruse,... But what I am saying parallels what is in Genesis. It says that this SPECIES referred to as Noah appeared long ago, personified as if the Noah species represented just one man who could actually have lived for 950 years. It suggests that Modern Homo sapiens, by analogy, evolved from that species. The extinction flood over all these humanoids, including Neanderthal man starting about 40,000 years ago. The evidence supports this by confirming that the three racial stocks contained the Y-chromosome of just one common father to them all, who at this point in the story, would have been one sole member of these Noah species from whom the three evolved. Point: 1) Noah was NOT modern man, but most like archaic Homo sapiens who appeared about 500,000 years before modern man. 2) Modern Homo sapiens lived 100,000 years before the mass extinction began 40,000 years ago. 3) Added these facts together, Modern Homo sapiens evolved from these Noahians about 150,000-200,000 years ago.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Yes, other bible raders try to say there was a flood of water up to the mountain tops, and they, like you, will say I'm nuts for claiming this was a necessary analogy until this Age, because no one would ever have acceot the actual truth, clearly written without analogy to the facts. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Psalm 90:4 2 Peter 3:8 DAY = THOUSAND YEARS,
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2609 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
OK. Then stop discussing the matter here if your mind is made up. This forum is for people ho ar open to either side of the discussion and will consider the arguments made. What we have here are those people who insist against all science and reason that men lived as long as 950 years, were all Modern Homo sapiens, and never evoplved from other species. Those that lived were us, who admit we are also sinners and bad, too. Others say the tale is a fairy tale and makes no sense the way the former explain it. Then there is thread, where I say the Bible writers were restrained from telling the factual events directly, so they worte a tale which specified the EXACT factual events, but used word with two means for things like "days" because seven Geologial Eras of millions of years would never have been accepted and passed down to us. Nor woukd the list of 22 names inthe genealogy have been better explained as "22 now extinct humans," as claimed by modern day Paleontologists. Do us a favor, and refrain from weighing in again with your belief/mere-opinion as if that had merit in the discussion.
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