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Message 2 of 341 (574755)
08-17-2010 4:31 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the The Common Ancestor? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 231 of 341 (693520)
03-16-2013 5:29 PM
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03-16-2013 3:59 PM


Topic Reminder
Hi Kofh2u,

This is a science thread inquiring about the common ancestor of man and ape. Please keep your discussion based upon evidence and focused on the topic. Correspondences between science and the Bible are not the topic of this thread, nor is anything else from the Bible.

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Message 241 of 341 (693536)
03-17-2013 11:55 AM


Topic Reminder
This topic is about the last common ancestor between man and ape. Diversions onto other topics such as intelligent design should be taken to other threads, or propose a new one over at Proposed New Topics.

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Message 250 of 341 (693548)
03-17-2013 3:32 PM


Topic Reminder
Again, this topic is about the last common ancestor between man and ape. Diversions onto other topics such as intelligent design should be taken to other threads, or propose a new one over at Proposed New Topics.

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Message 257 of 341 (693572)
03-18-2013 9:24 AM
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Re: Topic Reminder
Hi Just Being Real,

I issued topic reminders not because of anything anyone in particular said but because discussion in general seemed to be drifting away from common ancestry and onto intelligent design. Your description reflects a good sense of topic, but you have argued in other posts for special creation. This thread is simply seeking the evidence supporting common ancestry.

Maybe you'd like to propose a thread seeking the evidence for special creation. Or comparing the evidence for common ancestry with that for special creation.


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Message 270 of 341 (693654)
03-19-2013 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by kofh2u
03-19-2013 12:51 AM


Re: ... is there an honest person in the room...?
Hi Kofh2u,

If you have problems to report then please take them to the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 (NOT A DISCUSSION TOPIC!!!) thread.

You have posted the image of the book The Last Human many times as if it somehow supported your views. Without taking any sides on the issue but just perusing the book as a normal reader of English it looks as if what many have been telling you is true, that you are misinterpreting what the book says. You are apparently allowing yourself to be misled by the subtitle, A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans. First, there is only one species of humans, Homo sapiens, and it is not extinct. The book's title is wrong to imply that human evolutionary ancestors were also human. Second, the 22 extinct species were not all our ancestors, as the book makes clear. Many pages of the book can be found here at Google Books:

The Last Human at Google Books

If you think the book provides some helpful information for identifying the common ancestor between man and ape then it would be best to focus on that.


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Message 271 of 341 (693655)
03-19-2013 7:33 AM


Topic Reminder
I think the discussion about the origin of the soul is fascinating and I hope someone proposes a thread for it over at Proposed New Topics, but it is not the topic of this thread.

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Message 274 of 341 (693666)
03-19-2013 10:46 AM
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Re: Topic Reminder
Just being real writes:

However I did think that the topic of creation would come up from time to time in all the discussion threads.

Creationist and intelligent design views are a central focus of EvC Forum, but they're not necessarily relevant in every thread. Digressions are both common and necessary, but we try to keep them from going on too long so that discussion can stay focused on the main topic.

This thread is throwing a skeptical eye on the concept of common ancestry. It is exploring the degree to which the evidence supports the idea. Whether one ascribes to other concepts and how much evidence lies behind those other concepts isn't terribly relevant in this thread.

But it can be as relevant as you like in your own thread, just propose one over at Proposed New Topics.

Is it possible to create a topic broad enough to explore all avenues and aspects of creation versus evolution... in the EvC forums?

Look at the list of Forums. There are 11 science forums and 5 religious forums, ranging from the Big Bang to Geology to the Origin of Life to the Bible and so on. A thread open to all these topic areas would be chaotic and would lack focus, so we try to avoid that here.


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Message 298 of 341 (693757)
03-19-2013 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by kofh2u
03-19-2013 7:42 PM


Re: ...of course not,... the facts do though...
kofh2u writes:

Of course you are correct, but we are presenting FACTS that support this text of Genesis.

Not in this thread, you're not. This thread is not about your pet theory that there's a correspondence between Biblical races and personages and ancestral hominid species. You're welcome to begin another thread proposal for that topic over at Proposed New Topics, but you can't keep trying to shift discussion of threads on other topics onto your pet theory.

Since you've been here for nearly a decade you know I've said many times that EvC Forum exists to examine creationism's claim that it is every bit as much science as evolution. Science is all about evidence, and if your arguments are scientific then you shouldn't have any trouble coming up with evidence for them.


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Message 299 of 341 (693758)
03-19-2013 8:53 PM


Topic Reminder
Folks: Kof2hu's ideas about Genesis and human evolutionary ancestry are not the topic of this thread. He's not going to be able to discuss his theory until he gets a thread through the topic proposal process, but that doesn't seem likely. Since there seems to be interest I'll move his thread proposal over to the Free For All forum.

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Message 311 of 341 (693821)
03-20-2013 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Just being real
03-20-2013 12:07 AM


Re: genetic again is the reason we see common ancestors and ToE
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RE--Common decent has not only been proven, and you can enjoy the history at any good museum, it is the only explanation for the diversity found in nature that has evidence to support it. It is the premise for all of biology, throughout the entire world, not just a single source. --
Hmmm, that's odd. And this comment comes immediately after the "topic reminder" post. Yet no one is complaining that you are off topic.

Onifre has already addressed this, but just for clarity I'll also answer.

First, about topic, common descent as a concept underlies conclusions of common ancestry based upon evidence. I'm not sure why there's any question here.

Second, had Onifre been off-topic and you were wondering why no moderator had yet stepped in, moderators are not omnipresent and they can't read everything anyway. That's why there's a thread for reporting violations of the Forum Guidelines: Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0


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Message 313 of 341 (693824)
03-20-2013 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by kofh2u
03-20-2013 9:16 AM


Re: genetic again is the reason we see common ancestors and ToE
kofh2u writes:

What Percy is trying to avoid is the meaning of this discussion and hoiw it relates to Genesis.

The actual goal is simply to keep threads on-topic. I put your thread proposal in Free For All, please take discussion of this topic there: Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread

Regarding your complaints about moderation, first, the proper place for such complaints is Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0.

But second, moderation is only requesting that you make one change to the way you're participating: please stay on topic. If we didn't feel it important to dedicate each thread to a single topic (usually outlined in the first message) then we could just have one forum and one big thread, but we don't do that for obvious reasons. Your favorite topic does not happen to be the topic of this thread, or of almost all other threads. So please stop introducing your favorite topic into threads where it is off-topic.

Again, I've given you a thread for your favorite topic, please take your discussion of this topic there: Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread


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Message 318 of 341 (693829)
03-20-2013 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 315 by kofh2u
03-20-2013 9:53 AM


kofh2u Suspended 24 Hours
Hi Kofh2u,

First, I am not involved in the discussion beyond serving in my moderator role.

Second, this quote from you is a simple and straightforward distortion. It makes it seem like I was commenting on whether common descent has been proven:


Justbeingreal writes:
RE--Common decent has not only been proven,

Percy:
Onifre has already addressed this, but just for clarity I'll also answer.

In reality you removed the portion of Just Being Real's quote where he goes on to say that he believes that common descent is off topic, and it is the issue of whether common descent is off-topic that I was addressing.

Third, and for the last time unless you'd like a short suspension, the proper place for complaints such as those you've been making is Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0.

Fourth, in case you missed it, your 22 species in Genesis thread is here: Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread


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Message 319 of 341 (693832)
03-20-2013 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 316 by kofh2u
03-20-2013 10:05 AM


Re: genetic again is the reason we see common ancestors and ToE
kofh2u writes:

I will not post here,...

You have not been asked to not post here. You've been asked to stay on-topic.

...and consider myself censored by you on this subject concerning whether man ascended through 22 links to other species and how that opposes Genesis.

You're not being censored. You're being asked to discuss that topic in a thread where it is actually the topic, rather than in a thread like this one where it is not the topic.

Complaints should be taken to the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread.

Please, no replies to this message in this thread.


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Message 325 of 341 (694925)
03-30-2013 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by kofh2u
03-30-2013 2:13 PM


kofh2u Suspended 48 Hours
Hi Kofh2u,

You have a thread for your 22 species topic: Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread. Please do not discuss that topic anywhere but in that thread.

You can discuss any topic you like here at EvC Forum, but you have to discuss the topic of the thread you're in. Your topic has a thread, and it isn't this thread.

When a moderator requests that no replies be posted to a message, then it's probably a good surmise that there might be penalties for posting replies to that message. And when you post off-topic repeatedly after being asked repeatedly to stay on-topic, then again it is probably a good surmise that there might be penalties.

So we'll see you in a couple days. Upon your return you will be on a very short leash. Any off-topic posts or failure to follow moderator requests will draw an immediate suspension with no warning.

Being able to tell the difference between different topics is something that is very simple for most people, so if there's any mitigating circumstances I should know about, such as that English isn't your native language or you're only 8 years old or things like that, please send me a PM. You can send PM's even while suspended.

AbE: Apparently I disabled the ability to send PM's while suspended.

Edited by Admin, : AbE.


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