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Emotive Junior Member (Idle past 2817 days) Posts: 11 Joined: |
It is certainly very helpful in this type of conversations with creationists. I found it informative and well-written. Personally I knew that my third cousin can't be my grandfather's grandfather.
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Emotive Junior Member (Idle past 2817 days) Posts: 11 Joined: |
Yes, speciation and determining when it actually happened is a tricky question and what a species mean don't seem to have one unambigious answer. It's more or less a label we humans need to be able to discuss these things using abstract language. In a funny way it seems something instinctively understood and when you look closer, it's a very complicated question. Thanks for your answer.
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Emotive Junior Member (Idle past 2817 days) Posts: 11 Joined: |
Setting aside the point that was made ages ago in the first reply (humans are apes), my response is this:
If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor? One common ancestor for those three would be the first anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens, which is dated to about 200,000 years ago. Specimens have been found.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1656 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Welcome back to the fray Emotive
If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor? building on what Coyote said:
One common ancestor for those three would be the first anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens, which is dated to about 200,000 years ago. Specimens have been found. We also have the genetic \ migration maps that shows ancestry through time, and these converge on their respective common ancestor populations (everyone has two parents not one common ancestor, and thus it is more exact to talk about populations than individuals). Tracing Human History Through Genetic Mutations Enjoy (I notice that you have a large gap in posting here, so welcome back). Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Emotive Junior Member (Idle past 2817 days) Posts: 11 Joined: |
Yes, obviously specimens of Homo Sapiens have been found.
I was more thinking along lines it's an analogy to asking for a common ancestor species of all apes. Since my examples were single individuals, the common ancestor would also be a single individual. And it's just as clear to me that like we don't (not even creationists) doubt there is a common ancestor for modern humans, there's no reason to doubt there's an ancestral species to modern apes, whether it can be found and identified is irrelevant.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
there's no reason to doubt there's an ancestral species to modern apes There are a number of fossils that are ancestral to modern apes, but selecting a specific one depends on how far back you want to go. For example, there are fossils that represent the ape/monkey split dating back some 25 million years.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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