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The Darwinian theory of Natural Selection has been accepted for many years now. Some scientists even prematurely accepted this theory as fact. However in 1993 a group of scientists from Berkley, Cambridge, Munich, and The University of Chicago have shown otherwise.
OK, first off. Are you sure that you are not referring to the Mere Creation conference in 1996 hosted by the Christian Leadership Ministries? I think that this was the first decent sized meeting. I also believe it is where Dr. Behe first presented his
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The principal of Irreducible Complexity has been established that completely debunks Darwin’s theory of evolution labeling it as not being an adequate explanation for some of today’s findings.
And unfortunately while Irreducible Complexity is complex, it is not irreducible. A very good paper in the
Journal of Theoretical Biology pretty much trashes Dr. Behe’s thesis on theoretical grounds and numerous papers since the publication of his book in 1996 have provided additional data against him.
Here is some of the data which points to some possible pathways directly contrary to IC. There is more info on this site where I have posted numerous papers concerning another one of Dr. Behe’s IC systems, and demonstrated some of his most obvious errors. As one example, he (Behe) claims that if the blood clotting system arose through NS then there would have been a likely step where total volumetric blood clotting would have been present. Now, while he did this as an attempt the raise a barrier to clotting as an NS system, there exists a clotting system which does just what he claims would be bad. In the Horse shoe crab (not really a crab but a remnant of a VERY old family) there exists a clotting system for defense against bacteria which is remarkably similar, although less complex, to our clotting system. It is used to protect against bacterial infection and from holes in the exoskeleton, which it does quite well. However, when gram negative bacteria are INJECTED into the Horseshoe crab the clotting system can and does completely clot (actually it gels). Now while this is bad in the lab, it does not happen in the ocean a lot as there are few mermen with hypodermics present. So much for the missing intermediary with the supposed IC system
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The Darwinian Theory of Natural Selection states that nature is selective scrutinizing the slightest variations, rejecting those that are bad, preserving those that are good.
Not quite, the variations have to have an effect either on the survivability of the organism or on the reproductive capacity.
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The principal of Irreducible Complexity has been proven best by the Bacterial Flagellum. This bacterium has the design of a motor, appropriately called a Flageller motor, which is much like ones found on a boat. A drive shaft, engine, and a quarter turn hook for a propeller are all present. Scientists don’t use these terms out of convenience but because that is what they are. If any one of these was not present at the same time the others came about, the propeller would not function and would do nothing to help in the survival of the bacterium and thus according to Darwinian Theory would not have been carried on to the offspring of the organism.
You are in error, ID has not been proven at all, in fact even after numerous years and financial support it has NO supporting data at all. For more please see my comments above.
This is all I currently have time for, I will deal with more if this IC/ID dren later.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
and my family motto
Transfixus sed non mortis
Taz
PS Links are fixed, sorry about that. I hope to look into the thermoregulatory aspects of the ID claims later as I have time.
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