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Author Topic:   Irreducible complexity- the challenges have been rebutted (if not refuted)
Silent H
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Message 100 of 112 (61644)
10-19-2003 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Xzen
10-19-2003 4:02 PM


Xzen writes:
You claim that evolution Is an observed fact. Give one unambiguous observed example of acctual trans-species evolution. Note interspecies adaptation does not qulify.
There are examples of this given elsewhere on this site. Since you have spent so much time researching ID, why not spend some time researching evolution before making false claims.
I just gave a recent example of evolution in process, which also shows how a mutation may not only be beneficial, but allow it to take over new ecosystems. I invite you to join the discussion in the following thread:
http://EvC Forum: a poison for anti-evolution ID theorists -->EvC Forum: a poison for anti-evolution ID theorists
Since you believe in ID I would love to have you explain,
1) How ID explains the emergence of taxiflora and what it can add to continuing research on this plant.
2) What model ID espouses for ongoing changes in organisms (besides the one above). If it acknowledges changes due to mutation and selection on the "micro" level (as witnessed in breeding), what is the reason to doubt "macro" level evolution (especially as this has been seen in plants).
3) What model ID uses to explain/understand the fossil record?
4) If you go to the thread above, what you think of Warren's assertion that ID is not supposed to replace evolution.
Anyhow, your first post contains an inaccurate statement I have heard elsewhere.
While Darwin may very well have said that if it could be proven that an entity was unable to have been generated through slow, natural processes, his theory would fall apart.
HOWEVER, an entity's not being proven that it was generated (or how it could have been generated) through gradual, natural processes is not the same thing.
IDers have not proven that any entity could not have been created through evolution, rather having simply raised doubts about some known routes. And I would add not having addressed all known routes (for matter of convenience).
Further, disproving Darwin is not the same as proving one's own theory. Other posters have already brought up points along this line.
Where is this supernatural you are talking about? Without resorting to living beings, name one single undisputed supernaturally designed object.
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