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Author Topic:   Is Theistic Evolutionist An Oxymoron?
Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 83 (575423)
08-19-2010 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
08-19-2010 10:12 PM


Theist: one who believes in God.
Evolutionist: one who believes in evolution.
Nope, no contradiction there.
It is aximoronic in that it implies a creationless deity
No, just a deity that didn't do fiat creation of species.
... contradictory to the Biblical record, essentially reducing that record to the status of myth.
But obviously pointing out that Genesis is a myth isn't the same as saying that there's no God.
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One might with more justice complain that "theistic creationist" is an oxymoron. You are apparently defining God as a being who did something that verifiably didn't happen, just as though you defined God as "the being who makes everything in the world bright pink". One can be certain that that God doesn't exist, and so you are in effect defining him out of existence.
(Of course, you do not know this, just as a blind man wouldn't know that the "bright pink" definition would render belief in God untenable to the sighted. But such is the case.)

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Dr Adequate
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Message 10 of 83 (575512)
08-20-2010 8:54 AM
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08-20-2010 8:42 AM


God being a generic term, I would agree but God, referring the Biblical god, Jehovah would imply a contradiction, unless the Biblical record is reduced to the status of myth.
And God, referring to the being who makes everything bright pink, also doesn't exist. But one can assert this and not be an atheist, since, as you say, "god" is a generic term.
You, on the other hand, being a blind man spiritually, are assuming no intelligence above that experienced by humans on tiny planet earth.
No.
That premise from which you extrapolate interpretations of observed phenomena happens to be different than that of the creationist does not necessarily make the term "theistic creationist" oxymoronic.
And the term "theist-who-thinks-that-God-makes-everything-bright-pink" is not strictly an oxymoron. But I hope you see my point.

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Message 16 of 83 (575693)
08-20-2010 8:22 PM
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08-20-2010 9:41 AM


Your point??
Oh, you didn't see it.

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Message 61 of 83 (577029)
08-26-2010 10:35 PM
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08-26-2010 10:24 PM


Creating something complex from dust would be no more difficult than raising a dead corpse that had been dead for days or milleniums to life. Why should one sensibly choose to take one literally and the other mythically?
For exactly the same reason you take passages which suggest geocentrism, flat-earthism, and the Earth having four corners non-literally. Although you must believe that an omnipotent God could have made a flat four-cornered stationary Earth, you also know perfectly well that he didn't.
There is no similar objection to the miracle of Lazarus, so you take that literally.
If people who have a sounder knowledge of biology than you do follow the same basic hermeneutic principle, I don't see how you get to complain about it.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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