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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design vs. Real Science
dennis780
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Message 15 of 142 (588919)
10-29-2010 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by mosassam
09-02-2010 9:52 PM


Re: Life
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Can anyone - evolutionist, creationist or intelligent designer - explain exactly what they mean by the term LIFE?
It is too general a question, but I could muster a general answer. Life would be the internal ability of an organism, or group of organisms to be self sufficient, reproduce, in order to distinguish itself from dead organisms and inorganic objects.

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dennis780
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Message 16 of 142 (588921)
10-29-2010 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by AZPaul3
09-02-2010 10:33 PM


Re: Life
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I use complex chemistry in continuous action
Since chemical reactions occur on a longtime ongoing basis that involve completely inorganic processes and results, this definition would be very wrong.
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there is no real difference between a creationist and an IDist
There is an extreme difference, in that ID is science based, and Christianity is faith based. For someone to be a christian, they must believe without evidence. For someone to be an IDer, one must accept the interpretation of scientific data as factual. The founding principles of either are complete opposite.
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It is the woo-majik their version of a god breathes into clay figurines.
If you bothered to open a Bible for 10 minutes you would retract your statement before posting, since God only 'breathed' life into man, not into the animals:
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the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 2:7
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24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:24-25
You will notice that God did not breathe life into the animals, he only created them, and they were to produce after their own kind.
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Don't get breathed on, you're a rock.
God did many unusual miracles with inorganic objects such as rocks as well. I'm not sure if you were attempting humour in your statements, but if you were, it didn't work, and if you weren't, same result.

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dennis780
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Message 18 of 142 (588933)
10-29-2010 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Reveal
10-28-2010 9:50 PM


Re: So we're here by chance? accident?
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...the odds against DNA assembling by chance are10^40:1
[according to Fred Hoyle, Evolution from Space,1981].
I'm with you on this one Reveal, but the evolutionists understand the unlikelihood of this, and explain it using mass expanse of time. It would better serve your arguement to address the time issue, rather than the odds issue. Borels Law of Probability is an interesting read if you are interested in more information on this, however, Borel himself in his published works said that his work did not apply to biological odds. Good read however.
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Is it possible for biotic life to emerge from abiotic life?
It's unlikely, but possible. But I wouldn't use the term 'abiotic life', since abiotic means non-living.
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There are seven days in a week, seven colors in a rainbow
There are not seven colors in a rainbow. The human eye only has the ability to see seven.
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Our world is so beautiful, it was created for us.
Though I agree, an opinion of how visually pleasing your environment is is not evidence for ID, nor for creation.
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Those two colors, pyschologically, are the two most soothing colors to the eye(in the visible spectrum)
Again, this would be an opinion, unless you offer a reference to support the claim, but much more likely to be untrue. While some claim that babies cry less in yellow rooms, others support the opposite, that babies cry more often. You could probably argue intelligently either way.

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dennis780
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Message 20 of 142 (588937)
10-29-2010 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Nij
10-29-2010 7:53 AM


Re: Life
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Nonsense: name two inorganic reactions which are continuously occurring and are complex.
First, you would have to define complexity. Is one reaction complex? Chain of reactions??
Crystalization and formation of fossil fuels, both of which produce thousands of complex and unique orders and chemical combinations, and have been ongoing throughout earths' history (based of ToE standards). Both of which have chain reactions during formation.
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At every request for the supposed evidence, creotards like yourself have either ignored the question, attacked the asker or told us that we wouldn't accept it anyway. You're nothing new.
Nor are you. But the foundations of each cannot be debated, any more than gravity. One can believe in a creator, but completely reject the founding principles of christianity, in that Jesus was a real person, and was the son of God, etc.
Using profanity doesn't make you right, it makes you ignorant at best.
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At no point did AZPaul3 specify what was created. God breathed life into clay figurines, the exact same kind of woo that you advocate is resonsible for all life.
No. God did not make man from 'clay', supposing you are attacking the Christian God, that is.
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I'm not sure if you were attempting intelligence in your statement, but if you were, it didn't work, and if you weren't, same result.
Unoriginal. That was so 5 minutes ago.

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