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Hi, I believe the best I can do is a speculative answer due to the fact that I haven't yet had a chance to dig up Mt Ararat yet for fossils. As soon as I am able to literally sift through the whole mountain of evidence I will supply my evidence , until then I can only speculate.I believe there are so many possible scenarios that it is impossible to say outright which would have been most logical. It could have been survival of the fittest, or even survival of the luckiest. Maybe the chickens just escaped the tiger's clutches, but some other creature became extinct right there and then, as a reptile hunted it down. Maybe Noah released them in a logical order, allowing the predators to eat carcasses from the receding sea, and as they wandered off following the ocean's regression, he then released the herbivores when the carnivores had wandered off , and after vegetation regained a foothold on the planet.I believe a likely scenario is that the mammals stayed on the Armenian plateau or traveled to colder northern regions, being most easily adapted to cold low oxygen (elevated) regions. Many types of reptiles would likely have flourished in the hotter dryer conditions of the post-flood world, which were perfectly suited to them and they likely began to dominate the planet. Amphibians would have battled to regain their dominance in the dry silted up deserts, those able to adapt to salt water (crocodiles) or to live in small new freshwater ponds (frogs) being best able to survive.Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

Yes, can you provide a link or explain more, I would be very interested in that. My understanding of archaeology is that it fits very well with the first construction in Turkey, spreading down to the first civilization in Sumeria, and then the second civilization in Babylon, followed by a worldwide spread of civilizations, just as described by the bible. It would be interesting to know more about any discoveries on Mt Ararat. I didn't have the old rotting bodies in mind, my thinking is that there were only a few carnivores on the ark, who knows , maybe a couple of hundred. And any rapidly receding coastline would leave pools of fish behind, or the occasional stranded fish on the coastlines. Its possible that some of those carnivores could have survived that way. My bad, thanks for pointing that out.

Some animals survived. I believe that is a success compared to all becoming extinct. I believe the problem was not the ark itself, but the transformation of the world from a vast wetland into a vast desert.

Are you asking me to prove how Noah released the animals? I wasn't there. But there are many ways he could have done it, that would have resulted in numerous survivals of species.

You guys are so seriousI don't claim to know everything about biology, I just enjoy a good discussion and don't invoke magic. So that point is pretty irrelevant. What is illogical is to assume a boat full of animals cannot be discharged in such a manner that some survive. Of course it can. If you were given that job and a year to think about it, I'm sure you could come up with a few good ideas how to release those animals for optimal survival.

In comparison to the extinction of the human race, I guess the survival of the human race would be a success story. It was thought that Troy was a myth. And some even doubted bible history, thinking the Jewish conquest was a myth. And the Jewish exile in Egypt was a myth. The spread of early architecture from Turkey to Sumeria to Babylon is found in archaeology, matching the bible's version of the spread of mankind.With a book so clearly describing origins before modern archaeology discovers these origins, its possible the bible is literally accurate about other stories as well.

Fair enough. I don't see that the releasing necessarily involved supernatural intervention, the wording isn't clear enough to be sure. Verse 16 implies Noah brings them out the ark, rather than supernatural releasing:
"Go out of the ship, you, and your wife, and your sons, and your sons' wives with you. Bring forth with you every living thing that is with you of all flesh"But whether its God himself controlling the releasing, or Noah walking them off the ark in a controlled fashion, or even just a wild melee of animal slaughter we do not have enough information about the animals on the ark to say this or that would definitely have occurred.We just do not know the full extent of species that would have existed on the ark, or their relative proportions of carnivore to herbivore. We do not know which had 14 representatives and which only had two. We do not know how many herbivores have evolved into carnivores since the ark, maybe the ark lacked large numbers of carnivores. Noah didn't discharge the animals as soon as the mountaintops appeared out the water, but waited 150 days for the water to recede, which is enough time for vegetation to have gained a general foothold in those areas that dried first. In wet soil 5 months is more than enough for fresh vegetation to be well established.

Not at all. Many thought Troy was a myth, and until recently the story was seen as part of Ancient Greek mythology, not Ancient Greek history. Do you know that standard historical timelines are based on early archaeologist's attempts to prove the bible from Egyptian history. The historian Champollion identified the Egyptian Pharoah Shoshenk I with the biblical pharoah Shishak. In their excitement of their erroneous "proof" of the bible, these early archaeologists failed to notice that Shoshenk I attacked the towns of Israel and never attacked Judah as the bilbical Shishak did. So one of the major pillars of our standard historical timelines is in fact false.David Rohl, in his book A Test of Time identifies the Pharaoh Ramesses with the biblical Shishak, and in this way re-creates the timelines of history, showing that in fact the exodus and conquest have a strong archaeological backing. A large Semite population existed in Egypt, and there are signs that their residential area in Egypt was rapidly vacated. Soon after that many cities in the Israel area were attacked and destroyed, including the famous Jericho. Can you show proof thereof?Civilization , including the earliest temples, is known to have commenced in Turkey, then Sumeria, then Babylon, then elsewhere, just as described by the bible. Some of the earliest cities described in the bible have been recently confirmed as the earliest civilizations of known history.

I think you are incorrect when you say "nobody discounts the possibility before the evidence is in". The concept of a worldwide flood is often ridiculed even though other so-called legends in the bible are proven fact.Yes the bible does not give details how the animals spread, and the marsupial question is particularly fascinating.

Are you truly interested in whether the word myth or the word legend is more appropriate for Troy story? I don't think it matters much or is relevant to this thread. I just bought it up to illustrate a minor sidepoint, and its not worth delving into. Perfectly true, that is why I said "ONE of the major pillars of our standard historical timelines is in fact false." David Rohl describes how there are four major pillars on which the traditional timeline is based, he refutes 3 of these pillars including the obvious Shishak/Shoshenk error and creates a new and more logical timeline which places the exile/conquest and first kings of Israel into the bronze age. This is the point I am making, Shoshenk conquered Israel (including Megiddo), whereas the biblical Shishak conquered Judah. They were two separate countries. Kindly be more specific. Temples are significant part of civilization, but Turkey also shows the earliest cave settlements on earth and the earliest towns on earth. Fitting in with the bible's version of mankind coming from Mt Ararat in Turkey, and travelling south east from there.
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Could you kindly refer to my post 295 in the following thread: Where did the water come from and where did it go? - Message 295Please note that I hadn't even posted the full extent of my proof for vast sedimentation during the P-T boundary across vast flood plains on all continents. I believe other creationists have neglected to look in the right place to find the evidence of the worldwide flood, but the evidence is there in numerous scientific journals. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Made link message specific - It had been page specific, which for my page lengths wasn't the correct page.

What problems do you expect to happen? Its obvious that the bible story does not give a lot of information, there could have been proportionally minimal carnivores, and carnivores could have been eating fresh stranded fish as the waters receded, as two possibilities that would ensure majority survival. So I feel that I have dealt with the carnivores eating the herbivores problem. Could you list any faults with that reasoning, or any other possible problems with the logic of animals surviving their exit from the ship? Based on radiometric dating techniques you would appear correct, especially since I place the flood at the P-T boundary. However the basis for radiometric dating is disputable. Could you list any further evidence why the event never happened?

The more I look into it, the entire theory of evolution rests on currently measured rates of decay of heavy isotopes. Without that theoretical basis for measuring timeframes, geology, archaeology and all else fits in perfectly with the so-called biblical myths.Its theoretically possible that even the weather can affect the rate of decay of heavy elements, and so the whole theory of evolution is currently resting on very shaky foundations.

I find that a strange and unscientific statement, considering that I have just referred you to a link filled with evidence of worldwide flooding at the PT boundary. At this time a major marine transgression and regression are known to science, which in itself is an indication of worldwide flooding. In addition there is major evidence across all continents of massive movements of sediment at that time. Many floodplains transforming from a sedimentary underfill situation to a sedimentary overfill situation. There has been much scientific discussion for the reason for this phenomenon. Considering that the earth's terrain was largely made up of huge flat wide floodplains at the time, this strange phenomenon of a sudden increase in sedimentation in floodplains is significant.

I find that a strange and unscientific statement, considering that I have just referred you to a link filled with evidence of worldwide flooding at the PT boundary. If you first deal with the evidence in that link, then I can post further evidence for the flood at the P-T boundary.