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Author Topic:   True science follows the evidence wherever it leads (The design of the eye)
ICdesign
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Message 1 of 49 (389339)
03-12-2007 9:51 PM


Here is my beef with the theory of evolution in a simple nutshell. I don't see evolution (macro) taking place in the world in which I live right now today. What I see are species reproducing after their own kind only. Furthermore, if evolution took place in the past their would have to be thousands upon thousands of transitional forms among the millions of fossils we have uncovered in the past century and a half but their are none that the scientific community agrees are truly transitional. I just don't have the tremendous blind faith it takes to believe such a theory.
In my opinion Intelligent Design is a fact not a theory. True science follows the evidence wherever it leads so lets look at the evidence closest to home for each of us, the human body. When we examine the human body we find complex systems working together that enable us to do very amazing things such as walk, talk, hear, eat, think, heal, etc. Now each of these systems are extremely complex are they not? Complexity requires forethought.
As an example lets take a very simple view of sight. First of all how would a non-thinking source even know that we needed to see to begin with? Much less create the vast network that works in harmony to produce the ability to see. I mean come on people, think about it. You have the sclera made of a tough material that acts as an outer coat with all the blood vessels running through it to deliver blood. (how would a non-thinking source know it needed blood?) You have the cornea as a transparent dome that helps the eye focus as light makes its way through. ( how does a non-thinking source even know a focus is needed to see clear?) Then we have the iris that has muscles attached to change its shape to control how much light goes through the pupil. Again, all of this is design that requires thought. DESIGN REQUIRES THOUGHT!!!
Then we have the anterior chamber as the space between the cornea and the iris that is filled with a special transparent fluid that nourishes the eye and keeps it healthy. How bout the retina? Talk about genius design on display? It holds millions of cells that are sensitive to light. It takes the light the eye receives and changes it into nerve signals so the brain can understand what the eye is seeing! Come on you guys, HOW COULD A NON-THINKING SOURCE build this kind of extremely complex system, put all the right parts in the right order and integrate it with all the other complex systems the body has to offer without the ability to think? What about the simple aspect of the eyeball being perfectly round? That is design all by itself! Their is much more that I could say about the genius design of the eye and sight but I feel like I have proven my point!
ICDESIGN
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Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added the "(The design of the eye)" part to the topic title. Also added one more blank line before the "ICDESIGN".

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ICdesign
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Message 5 of 49 (389505)
03-13-2007 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Chiroptera
03-13-2007 9:57 PM


...thats funny Charley, ur a man after me own heart if you love a good pancake.
So you believe it is possible to have a design without any thought being involved then? If so, can you produce one or know someone who can. I would pay good money to see an accidental intelligent design!
IC
Edited by ICDESIGN, : wanted to correct a spelling

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ICdesign
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Message 11 of 49 (389513)
03-13-2007 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Jon
03-13-2007 10:33 PM


Re: It's story time agan...
What are you so mad about Mr. blind man. You said it well when you said their are no cases of complexity without forethought. Sence their
are non, the burden of proof is on you to disprove my statement!!
IC

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ICdesign
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Message 12 of 49 (389514)
03-13-2007 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Minnemooseus
03-13-2007 10:38 PM


Re: How to implement an intelligent biologic design?
Guidance requires a guide. "Intelligent evolution" requires intelligence sir, and intelligence requires thought!
IC

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ICdesign
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Message 15 of 49 (389518)
03-13-2007 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by crashfrog
03-13-2007 10:42 PM


Excuse me for wondering, but where did the computer and the programs come from that generate these "accidents"?
IC

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ICdesign
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Message 17 of 49 (389520)
03-13-2007 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Jon
03-13-2007 10:55 PM


Re: It's story time agan...
I'm sorry I misread your statement, you didn't say their are no cases.
You did say "if" their are no cases. If you know of a case I'm all ears.
IC

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ICdesign
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Message 18 of 49 (389522)
03-13-2007 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by crashfrog
03-13-2007 11:02 PM


Re: irrelevent
the point is Crash, is that know matter who built them it took intelligence to do it and that is very relevent sir! A program requires a programmer.
Making any kind of a choice involves a decision. A decision requires thought.
Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.
Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

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ICdesign
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Message 19 of 49 (389524)
03-13-2007 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jon
03-13-2007 10:37 PM


Re: its story time again
the question is " do you believe it is possible to have a design without any thought being involved?
forethought, thought, whatever. Thought is thought.
Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

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ICdesign
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Message 23 of 49 (389529)
03-13-2007 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
03-13-2007 11:32 PM


No your the one not getting it Crash, with all due respect. Everything you are talking about leads back to intelligent people building computers for all this to take place on. This is why its so hard to talk with evolutionist's. You have baffled the issue with B.S.
just like you guys always do. The issue is that the human body is a complex design unequaled by any master design that man with all his combined wisdom and intelligence can come up with.
THE HUMAN BODY IS AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN. THIS IS A FACT AND I PRESENT THE HUMAN BODY AS MY PROOF OF THIS STATEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now you show me all the transitional forms to prove millions of transitions happpened to get where we are today.

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ICdesign
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Message 25 of 49 (389534)
03-14-2007 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by crashfrog
03-13-2007 11:59 PM


the simple truth
I believe the truth that while deep is also very simple. I told you from the start I was just a simple nuts and bolts kind of guy. I'm sorry I don't meet the standard you require on this web site.You guys are obviously highly educated and I do respect that.
None of you has answered how you can have design without thought. I have seen many comments about other designs as if that somehow nullifies the designs I was talking about. And now the great Crash can even design a better body than the one we have.
The reason I didn't mention the backwards retina is because the system works so well I don't have to stand on my head to see things upright.
I admit the technology your are taking about with the computers is amazing stuff. The thing about technology is that it is the result of intelligent minds putting a lot of thought into the outcome which disqualifies it as accidental intelligent design.
And finally Mr. condescending Crash, I wasn't aware that the missing link is no longer missing and even found in abundance. I think you should inform the rest of the world of this astounding news flash!
FACT: THE HUMAN BODY IS AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN
SAD TRUTH: all of you will give an answer for you willful ignorance
...and may God have mercy on your souls!!
good bye, ICDESIGN
Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

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ICdesign
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Posts: 360
From: Phoenix Arizona USA
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Message 34 of 49 (389646)
03-14-2007 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Jon
03-14-2007 11:30 AM


THE KNOCK OUT PUNCH
I challenge each and every every one of you!
NAME ONE MAN-MADE INTELLIGENT DESIGN THAT EXCEEDS THE COMPLEX DESIGN FOUND IN THE HUMAN BODY!
As my points of reference I submit the 112,000,000 links found
at Google under "How the human body works".
If you can't name one then you have just proven my point for me
that the human body is an intelligent design! And THATS a fact!!
read 'em and weep; put that in your pipe and smoke it;
the fat lady finished her song; and Elvis has left the building,
"thank you very much"
unlike the other Terminator, "I won't be back"
ICDESIGN

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