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Is it intelligent to design evolvable species?

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04-15-2005 7:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Andya Primanda
04-15-2005 9:30 AM

Yes. In fact the only place I can see even a hint of design is at the smallest most basic levels. If you look at the universe you find systems that work and and there I believe we see the hand of a designer. The combination of mutations filtered by natural selection is such a system.
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04-15-2005 11:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by RAZD
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It will be interesting to see if any bonafide IDists answer.
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Would you consider me an IDist?
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04-16-2005 12:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 15 by RAZD
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I believe that GOD created the universe.
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I believe that He ordained all of the rules, those of physics, mutation, Natural Selection.
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I believe that He intuitively understands the relationship between gravity and all the other forces.
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I believe that He could create all that we see as our Universe through no more than wish and will.
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So is that ID?
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04-16-2005 2:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 17 by RAZD
04-16-2005 7:33 AM

Tough questions.
do you believe that it doesn't matter who did it?
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The end result is what we see, so something happened. Who did it is certainly and open question.
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I believe I know who did it and that person or entity (probably a better word) is the Creator, IMHO, GOD.
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do you believe that it could have been green aliens?
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No.
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do you believe that it could have been many designers?
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No I don't. But I do have a reason for that belief, one that I must admit is based on personal experience and could well be flawed.
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My general experience of design by committee has not been good. Unless there was one overriding mind, one clear concept of what was to be, I don't think we would see the consistency throughout the universe that seems to be apparent. If it was multiple designers I wouold expect to see greater variation at the most basic level, that some of the designers might have seen gravity as a repeller as opposed to attractor.
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04-18-2005 10:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 24 by dsv
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failed designs?
If Intelligent Design is designing creatures that can evolve and adapt to their environment, does that mean extinct species are failed designs?
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It's not the critters that were designed, but the system. The critters are nothing but byproducts and only incidental. The system works. It guarantees that should conditions change, critters will evolve to fit those changed conditions.
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Extinct species are not failed species but rather evidence that the design, the system, worked.
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04-18-2005 10:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by dsv
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Re: failed designs?
Do you mean "Are humans simply a byproduct?" If so then yes, of course.
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02-06-2006 11:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 74 by inkorrekt
02-06-2006 11:54 AM

Re: What is the rationale?
What is the advantage of designing only evolvable things compared to non evolvables?
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Sh*t happens.
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02-11-2006 7:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 82 by inkorrekt
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Re: What is the rationale?
Asked and answered. See Message 75.
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Why do you keep asking the same question when you have been answered?
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