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Author Topic:   Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?
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Message 644 of 657 (623305)
07-09-2011 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 643 by deerbreh
07-07-2011 12:08 PM


Re: In Regards to Something (like that ..)
Having scanned a percentage of the 643 posts I am suprised if no other comparative documents than deerbreh's have been quoted in the debate. Correct me if I missed any.

In 1970 I devoured a book which explored the Exodus as part of a GLOBAL catastrophe. In it documents and documented legends, etc point to nations all around the world suffering similar events to the Egyptian plagues, followed by periods of intense darkness, famine and re-location.

There is a huge list from which I will quote a few instances:
Ex 7:20 "..all the water was changed into blood."
Ipuwer Papyrus: "The River is blood.."
Mayans: "..earth quaked, river water turned to blood.."

Ex 9:23 "..Lord sent thunder and 'hail' (Heb 'stones of barad' - meteorites) and lightning flashed down to the ground."
Ipuwer: "There was fire mingled with hail very grievous such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt"
".. trees destroyed, grain perished..like cutting flax.."
".gates and columns consumed by fire"

Ex 24:23-28 ". Pharoah's horse and chariots.."
Ipuwer: "His Majesty fought with the evil-doers in the whirlpool. His Majesty leapt into the place of the whirlpool."

And that's before I get onto pole reversal, prolonged darkness, ambrosia (manna = 'honey') and rivers of honey.

So something BIG definitely happened. So big, that geological changes could well have changed the face of the world. Hence our Red Sea crossing will be even more difficult to establish!


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Message 648 of 657 (623333)
07-09-2011 1:51 PM
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07-09-2011 11:34 AM


Re: In Regards to Something (like that ..)
If a cosmic catastrophe struck the world, major disruption and death would follow. Certainly if the "earth turned over like a potter's wheel - upside down" (Papyrus Ipuwer ) or "South to North, the Earth turns over" Papyrus Harris, we would expect some visible signs in the atmosphere. Virtually total blackout.

Hence Ps 82:5 "They walk about in darkness", Jer 2:6 "..through the barren wilderness.. a land of drought and darkness,.", Ps 44:19 ".. deep darkness", Is 9:2 "The people walking in darkness..", Ps107:14 He brought them out of darkness and the deepest gloom..", Job 24:17 "For all of them deep darkness is their morning;..". Ermitage papyrus "None can live when the sun is veiled by clouds."

Moses seems to have avoided mentioning the darkness but everyone seems to have suffered it! Aztecs - 'no sun for many years, then reappeared in the East'. The Mayans have similar legends. So a global Exodus period scenario is my suggestion.


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Message 649 of 657 (623334)
07-09-2011 1:54 PM
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07-09-2011 1:18 PM


Re: In Regards to Something (like that ..)
Percy it is 'Worlds in Collision' actually. A brilliant collection of quotations and a rather extreme theory that annoyed academia. BBC Horizon in 1972 did a good resume.

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Message 653 of 657 (623375)
07-09-2011 8:44 PM
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07-09-2011 2:35 PM


Re: catastrophe
Actually Velikovsky may have bitten off too big a chunk in one go. His work deserves more honest assessment. Now there is a growing movement of dissident scientists and researchers continuing his themes. The evidence grows for a major re-think of how the universe actually works.

The old Newtonian/ Einsteinian gravity-only paradigms are being superceded. The Old cosmology crowd are rigidly sticking to their black holes and Big Bangs while it is becoming clear that electricity plays an enormous role in the entire universe. There is no religious agenda only a re-assessment of the past 100 years of dogma.

I would prefer to see some less orthodox, biased quotations than wikipedia in future. You couldn't find a more conservative, old school, anti-progress crowd if you tried.


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Message 655 of 657 (623449)
07-10-2011 4:20 PM
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07-09-2011 8:48 PM


Re: catastrophe
The Exodus episode requires a fundamental reassessment of our understanding of the cosmos. This is what Velikovsky attempted, using humanity's records. If you are unwilling to accept the words of our predecessors then perhaps lab- shown principles will pave the way for a re-think.
I'll give you a website with daily challenge to conventional wisdom, for example.

The Thunderbolts team has just finished a 4 day Conference at Maryland University, in conjunction with another scientific group, the National Philosophy Alliance. Among the team are Professor Donald E. Scott PhD (Electrical Engineering) Electric Cosmos originator and Wallace Thornhill Electric Universe originator.

Both of these guys have done numerous experiments to demonstrate the behaviour of plasma and how it directly relates to cosmic phenomena. Electric Discharge Maching can be shown to originate virtually every crater seen in the solar system as I demonstrated here.

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