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Buzsaw
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Message 71 of 148 (580217)
09-08-2010 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by nwr
09-03-2010 10:35 AM


Re: We just don't know... And that's okay.
nwr writes:
Hyroglyphics writes:
Hyro writes:
First Cause arguments seem pointless because it's an infinite loop of semantics and where no evidence from either side can be given.
I completely agree.
This kind of argument is no more convincing when it comes from Hawking than when it comes from a religious apologist
If all would simply cite 1LoT and Biblical creationists would cite the Biblical record along with 1LoT, all could go, figure and assume that the Universe has eternally existed, that being compatible with observed LoT and that Jehovah, creator, has existed in the cosmos eternally according to the Biblical record.
If there was a first cause there is no valid theory or hypothetical premise until there is an explanation for it. Void of an explanable first clause, the universe should be assumed by both camps to be eternal.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 80 of 148 (580231)
09-08-2010 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Straggler
09-08-2010 8:26 AM


Re: We just don't know... And that's okay.
Straggler writes:
Given that the universe does not appear to be in a state of maximum entropy I don't think we can reasonably assume that it has existed for an eternity.
An eternal universe can be explained by assumption, as pr 1LoT, that the eternal universe has not necessarily had a uniform existence.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 84 of 148 (580236)
09-08-2010 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Straggler
09-08-2010 8:44 AM


Re: We just don't know... And that's okay.
Straggler writes:
Buz that whole sentance makes no sense.
"explained by assumption" - What the hell does that mean?
"as pr 1LoT" - What as per the 1st law of thermodynamics?
"that the eternal universe has not necessarily had a uniform existence." - In what sense non-uniform? The laws of physics being non-uniform?
Wouldn't a state of maximum entropy imply a uniformitarian manner in which the universe has emerged and in which it appears to be going? Doesn't an alleged BB imply a uniform manner in which the universe has emerged, assuming that space has always been expanding, albeit no increase in aggregate energy?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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