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Author Topic:   "Chariot Wheels" In the Red Sea
Coyote
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Message 9 of 43 (579748)
09-05-2010 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Omnivorous
09-05-2010 9:05 PM


Re: Why don't creationists fund a retrieval expedition?
So is there any reason to believe that an authentic chariot wheel found where they claim it to be would support any of their claims?
Usually a chariot wheel is just a chariot wheel--not an extraordinary relic that can prove an event that is otherwise without evidence.
Good archaeologists can do quite a bit with old relics. There are a lot of tests that can be applied to learn more from such things, and their contexts.
Unfortunately, some archaeologists are apologists first and archaeologists second. The scientific method comes second, behind finding support for a particular religious belief.
Such an archaeologist could not be trusted to adequately and accurately study such a find.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 35 of 43 (579960)
09-06-2010 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
09-06-2010 10:19 PM


Re: Moving on. Or not.
I've done archaeology for a long time, and one thing I've learned is until you bring back the goods you've got nothing.
And then if it is an unusual claim you better have it documented several different ways.
And I mean documented, not just hearsay or "it seems to be" or "it looks like" but hard evidence.
If you claim chariot wheels, you better be able to show the materials that went into them and the method of manufacture (both needed to establish when they were made, and who made them). With samples of the wood scientists could determine the species, and perhaps the origin, of that wood. They could radiocarbon date the wood and perhaps get a tight estimate of the age. The metal in the rims might be distinctive to a particular people and chemical analysis might be able to establish that. There are a lot of other tests that might be made depending on what has survived, and the condition it is in.
But shapes in coral just doesn't add up to real evidence.
Buz, pick up a recent technical journal dealing with archaeology and see what the articles are like. And I don't mean an apologists' journal--try one put out by some professional scientific organization or a university archaeology department. You can get a lot of the tables of contents on the web, and the actual journals in any good university library.
If you do this you should quickly see the difference between these journals and what you have been citing for us.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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