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Omnivorous
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Message 13 of 683 (581814)
09-17-2010 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Percy
09-17-2010 3:03 PM


Re: genesis 1 vs 2 biblical inerrancy thread
Actually, Percy, with respect, that's not what the OP says. Nor does the originator state in Msg #8 that he doesn't want to debate whether or not the accounts are contradictory.

In fact, in the OP, after stating "Here is the argument," hepteract posts the two creation accounts, points out apparent contradictions, and says, "This contradiction seems to debunk the inerrancy of the bible. This thread is to provide a place for debate as to whether or not it actually does."

In Msg 8 he merely declines to join ICANT's thread "because your thread explicitly states that the bible is the final authority. My thread explicitly states that the bible is being questioned. Therefore, the threads should remain separate."

I see no cautioning against arguments for non-contradiction there.


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Omnivorous
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Message 15 of 683 (581820)
09-17-2010 5:24 PM
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09-17-2010 5:14 PM


Re: genesis 1 vs 2 biblical inerrancy thread
Percy writes:

When oh when will I ever learn to mind my own business when it comes to the religious threads!!

From your lips to my godless ears...

Never mind.


Have you ever been to an American wedding? Where's the vodka? Where's the marinated herring?!
-Gogol Bordello

Real things always push back.
-William James


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Omnivorous
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Message 134 of 683 (597610)
12-22-2010 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Panda
12-22-2010 2:52 PM


Not off-topic
Despite my considerable respect for Coyote and Panda (both on my short list of members whose posts I always read), I disagree.

I've seen the board sometimes dominated by science threads, sometimes not. The rising tide of political threads tends to occur during high-pitch political moments and tends to recede on its own.

Like it or not, science is a political issue. The fact of evolution and its denial are political issues. Demonstrable global warming and its denial are political issues. The teaching of ID or creationism in schools is a political issue.

There are few places on the web where you can access political commentary on these issues by working scientists with an allegiance to reason and evidence. I'd hate to see this one diminished.

There are facts in politics as surely as there are facts in physics--and far more lies that require refutation. Many of those lies are told either to denigrate science for political ends, or they are told with a reckless disregard for their subversion of science in particular and reason in general. The days when a scientist could emerge from the lab like an apolitical Rip Van Winkle and find that science's status and funding have improved yet again are gone.

I think the appropriate solution for folks who want more directly science-oriented threads is to start them.


I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past.
-J. Mellencamp

Real things always push back.
-William James


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Omnivorous
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Message 137 of 683 (597624)
12-22-2010 7:24 PM
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12-22-2010 6:46 PM


Re: Not off-topic
I do understand your concern, but I think balance will restore itself.

Riled up forums (e.g., here, this election season) usually revert to their focus.

And the science is strong in this one.


I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past.
-J. Mellencamp

Real things always push back.
-William James


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Omnivorous
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Message 378 of 683 (633859)
09-16-2011 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Theodoric
09-16-2011 8:06 PM


Re: So Goose is treated different than Gander
I've no idea what you did or didn't do.

I also thought chuck's comments were quite as offensive as hooah's, but sometimes you have to pick your battles.

The E side of EvC is supposed to champion reason and tolerance, and words really aren't sticks or stones. Chuck made a fool of himself--don't follow in his wake.

You've certainly made your point. Let it go.


"The brakes are good, the tires are fair."

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Omnivorous
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Message 409 of 683 (636540)
10-07-2011 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by Panda
10-07-2011 1:56 AM


Infinite brickbats and targets tempt the tosser
The essential problem with the Cheers/Jeers system is that each member has an infinite supply.

I've noticed the "backdating" of them, too, as well as their use simply because the jeered post, while without personal attack or other off-topic comment, represents an opposing point of view.

As it stands, with an endless supply of brickbats and no date limit on targets, it promotes juvenile behavior. I don't like the system, and I'd opt out if I could, losing both the rating and the ability to impact other members' ratings.

Failing that, there should be an expiration date on when they can be applied to a post, and each member should have a limited store per time period.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 411 of 683 (636542)
10-07-2011 10:41 AM
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10-07-2011 10:35 AM


Re: Infinite brickbats and targets tempt the tosser
CS writes:

But don't all of my votes for you get averaged into just one vote? I can't just Jeer at every message you've written and bring you down to a 1. All those count as one negetive mark to be calculated with all the other individuals who vote.

So...if I post one negative reaction to one of your posts, that's my eternal vote on you as a poster?

That doesn't make any sense, either.

Am I misunderstanding your point?


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 433 of 683 (640833)
11-13-2011 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by Butterflytyrant
11-13-2011 11:52 AM


IMJ is a quagmire.

Declare victory and move on.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 486 of 683 (653179)
02-18-2012 9:15 PM


AdminPhat: Clarifications, please
AdminPhat writes:

The goal here is understanding through discussion. Evidence is not required, nor is winning the argument the goal.

Please refrain from trying to frame the argument for the mere sake of winning it....if you have any faith and belief in support of it, please make your point. If you are simply against the concept of faith and belief, you have no purpose participating.

Am I to understand that:

1) Faith and Belief is not a debate forum?

2) Faith and belief are the only acceptable grounds for posts/assertions in the Faith and Belief forum?

3) Those without faith and belief do not belong--and are not welcome--in this forum?


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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