they do not believe it to be true, they claim their is no evidence to support its record
There's plenty of evidence that is in support of some of the things that occur in the Bible. There is also plenty of evidence that the accounts in the Bible are as dispassionate and objective as a Emperor's sanctioned war-report.
they say it is a human book
So do most theists.
so since the atheist doe snot believe the Bible to be true and that there is no God, why then are they obsessed with christianity and attack it at every turn?
They don't. However - when you live in a society where Christianity is dominant and the values and ideas are assumed as true unless someone speaks out...you can bet that some people will be speaking out a lot.
if people want to believe, then it is none of the atheist business, if people want to preach it, it is none of the atheist's business, if people want to use faith healing on their children, it is none of the atheist's business.
Then if people want to abort their pregnancy, research stem cell technology, use condoms, marry someone of a different skin colour, religion, nationality or of the same sex, spend money on advertisements that say 'It's ok to not believe in God', terminate the life of a terminally ill relative who is suffering enormously...it is none of the Christian's business. Funny how they are famous for kicking up such a massive fuss about those things then really isn't it? You have a mote in your eye.
But seriously, we all have a duty of care to protect children. So if a parent has gone mad and thinks they can feed their children on manna that comes from heaven when they pray...we should rescue the children. If a parent thinks they medicate their child with insulin from the sky, the child should be rescued. You can pray for your kid's health and I have no problem at all about that. You can even use your healing touch to drive out the negative energies. But get a doctor involved.
if a family wants to go to church and have christian ideas taught in public school, then it is none of the atheist's business.
The atheist contributes money to the public school system. It is therefore definitely their business. They send
their children to them. And they surely have the right to not have their children religiously preached at by authority figures don't they?
if they do not like it, they can build their own schools and avoid the church buildings.
They have built their own secular schools. The cost was deducted from their wages. The Christians that preach there are not minding their own business.
the atheist has NO authority to determine what other people do in their own families
So an atheist police officer cannot arrest a Christian teen that murdered his father, the uncle that raped his niece?
All parents and governments must give an account for their actions thus the atheist should be wise and focus their attention on their responsibilities and not the responsibilities of others.
In a society we have a mutual interest in insuring that others play by the rules.
this obsession with the Bible, God and christians demonstrates that the ible is true, that God does exist, and christianity is not pie in the sky because these same peopel do not attack any false religion or their writngs as they do the Holy Bible and christianity.
Does that mean the Koran is true etc? After all - plenty of people attack that. Especially those atheists that come from an Islamic background. See
Hirsi Ali as an example.
what are they afraid of?
The kind of moral depravity that occurs when we all rely uncritically on the words of the Bible as social guidance. See: the last 1800 years or so.
clearly they are afraid because they know they are wrong and do not have the stones to admit it nor repent from their sins because they think they will lose much.
Have you ever tried to really consider this from another person's point of view? Have you even considered the possibility that maybe it is you who are afraid because you know you are wrong but you don't have the stones to admit it?
If it is false then why are they so worried about it?
Because it's false and people believe it is true. If you can't see why this might be a concern why don't you try to imagine living in a country that basis its social policy on a religious system you don't agree with?
if it is false why should they have to force secular science its theories on everyone?
Yet this has not happened. There is no force. There are plenty of actual historical examples of theories being forced onto others - I'm assuming you've not thought about them given the large number of examples that are religious in nature.
if evolution were true then why are they afraid of creation being taught in schools?
Because teaching children false things is morally repugnant? Why are the creationists so wound up about evolution being taught if creation is true?
if creation and God are false then why are the atheist so bent on hindering its efforts?
Nazi propaganda was false. Would you have used this line of reasoning if you were a pure-blooded German in the 1930s?
everyone knows that if something is false it will be dropped by everyone except by the most diehard fanatics.
The evidence
screams the opposite. Your next sentence proves your own statement false:
quote:
yet all false religions use the Bible and its stories in their teacings as they know you need partial truth to deceive people and con them out of their money.
Exactly. And many atheists have a conscience that doesn't like people being conned out of their money - in plain sight - without anyone speaking up.
so the ball is in the atheist court and let's see them use real evidence to back up their points.
The Bible is an awesome set of books - near complete and ancient. Filled with pathos, heartache, doubt, sex, love, surprise twists (Ruth is a shocker!), anger, betrayal, struggle and ultimate vindication. What's not to like?
Atheists mostly criticise those religious views that lead to pressure towards certain social policies (from banning abortion through legalizing faith healing in lieu of medical attention to teaching Creationism as viable science all the way over to stoning a girl to death for having the audacity to get raped).
abe: I've made an intellectual shortcut in the interests of discussion. 'Atheist' is such a loose grouping it is impossible to say 'atheists do this' or 'atheists do that' and be saying much. So I've assumed you mean the non-believing secularists that debate/argue/criticise in public etc.
Likewise with Christians - I'm hoping I successfully communicated that I am talking about those Christians that engage in the debate, social policy reformation or take other actions (or lack thereof) that have social impact etc. based on their religious viewpoint.
There are plenty of both groups that simply do 'mind their own business'.
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