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archaeologist
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Message 31 of 112 (581447)
09-15-2010 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by bluegenes
09-15-2010 6:46 AM


Have you never noticed that God puts capital letters at the beginning of each sentence in His only known literary work?
Gd ddnt s vwls, s shld wrt lk ths s wll?
i will post as i see fit, don't like i do not care.
The reason we discuss the Bible on sites like this is because it is a central part of the general topic of the site.
excuses, excuses. i have yet to meet an atheist that was not obsessed about the Bible and didn't attack, bring it up in conversation and keeps mentioning the same arguments over and over.
why should an atheistic site have religious topics anyways and to the tone they carry? all atheistic sites accordingto your logic would be sans any reference to religious matters.

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Message 32 of 112 (581448)
09-15-2010 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Nij
09-15-2010 7:36 AM


Secularism is not taught in schools. Atheism is not taught in schools.
yes they are. if evolution is taught then secularism and atheism are taught as well.
But why would we move to a different country and start to attack them
you miss my point. talk is cheap and you would NOT do the same thing because atheists only do so when the enviornment lets them. why do you think dawkins hasn't been kicked out of oxford? because it is in britain not saudi arabia.
i have yet to see any atheist attack islam or hinduism or any other religion as they do christianity. you only do so because you know that christians aren't allowed to hurt you like muslims or other religions can.
Again, you fail to sense the difference
the only one not sensing anything are you and the rest of the atheists. you make so many excuses for your inaction that it is pathetic. nothing is stopping you right now from publically demanding that the muslim needs to teach evolution and stop teaching islamic ideas.
still preaching
your false labels shows that you cannot discuss but need to distort to avoid the truth.

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Message 33 of 112 (581450)
09-15-2010 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Larni
09-15-2010 7:44 AM


So, how is this whole thread not simply an assertion of martyrdom?
Atheists attack xians, boo hoo.
nothing to do with martyrdom. it just shows that you cannot be honest about yourselves as well as that which you attack. i have read so many off topic comments in this thread and so many whines about atheists aren't like that, it is just incredible.
you can't take responsibility for one thing about yourselves. you are obsessed and hate chrisianity plain and simple. you do not attack any other religion the same way BECAUSE they are NOT a threat to your lifestyles and choices and do not remind you that you have chosen wrongly.
they also do not shed light on your sinful ways which means you can ignore them without worry but christianity tells you a better standard, it tells you your real origins, it gives you the real source of morality and you cannot handle that as you want to be gods and create your own.
christianityputs the mirror in front of you and you do not like what you see and you need to get rid of it so you feel good about your lives.

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Message 34 of 112 (581451)
09-15-2010 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 4:58 PM


Your correct.
After reading your take on letting people let their kids die and that being a right for them to exercise (rather than being compelled to save the child's life) I would have to say I (now) do hate xianty.
Happy?
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Message 35 of 112 (581453)
09-15-2010 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 6:16 AM


Taq: If we lived in a Muslim dominated culture we would be talking about the Qur'an. If our legislative bodies were dominated by Hindus looking to force Hindu creationism into the science classroom we would be talking about the Hindu scriptures
archaeologist: no you wouldn't. there is a muslim culture and a hindu one feel free to move to those countries and start the crap you are doing in america and othe rwestern nations...see how long you would last. i bet you wouldn't last a week.
It makes me wonder why Archie even asks questions if he doesn't want to hear the answers. In case Archie is still reading this thread, please know that I focus on ANY religious encroachment onto my civil liberties. It just so happens that in the country I LIVE IN it is christians who are doing the encroachment. This is why we tend to focus on the Bible in forums like these, becuase it is the source material that the encroachers use.
Taq: We are still waiting for you to go after algebra since x+y=1 makes no mention of a creator. Even worse, the calculations used to measure the volume of a sphere do not include the resurrection of the Christ.
Archie: don't have to. it is not the function or purpose of math to talk about a creator or the ressurrection.
You can lead a horse to water . . .
It is not the function or purpose of science to talk about a creator or the resurrection. This includes biology, and the theories within biology such as the theory of evolution.
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Message 36 of 112 (581454)
09-15-2010 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 6:16 AM


Apologize for replying to same message twice. When I edit more than once it kicks me out for some reason.
public schools need to be free from the atheistic and secular ways because the religious have a right to a proper education . . .
And this is why we have forums like this one.
Public schools are secular by definition. They are required by law to give children a secular education. Public schools, as an extension of the government, do not have the right to indoctrinate children into religious beliefs, nor do they have the right to teach atheism.
Let me say this again. The government does not have the right to indoctrinate children into a religion through the use of public funds. This, in no way, restricts you from using your own money to send your kids to a private school where no such restrictions are found. None of this prevents you from sending your kids to church, or giving them religious instruction at home. This restriction exists JUST FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
It would seem that we need better civics classes in public schools as well.

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Message 37 of 112 (581455)
09-15-2010 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 4:54 PM


if evolution is taught then secularism and atheism are taught as well.
False. If evolution is taught then science is taught. The same applies for every scientific theory taught in geology, chemistry, and physics class.
If anything, you are only demonstrating your obsession with evolution.

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Message 38 of 112 (581457)
09-15-2010 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 4:47 PM


archaeologist writes:
Gd ddnt s vwls, s shld wrt lk ths s wll?
Yes, I think you should. And I think you should stop using (or abusing) a barbarian northern-European language, with its roots so deep in Paganism that some days of the week are named after Pagan gods, and write your posts in your God's language and that of his chosen people.
archy writes:
i have yet to meet an atheist that was not obsessed about the Bible and didn't attack, bring it up in conversation and keeps mentioning the same arguments over and over.
Well, maybe you'll meet more atheists when you grow up a bit and get into Big School.
Archy writes:
why should an atheistic site have religious topics anyways and to the tone they carry?
This site belongs to a Deist. It's called "EvC." Have you figured out what the "C" stands for yet? If you have, why did you ask such a stupid question?
archaeologist writes:
all atheistic sites accordingto your logic would be sans any reference to religious matters.
The overwhelming majority of atheists and the overwhelming majority of theists do not spend their time on "atheistic" or "theistic" sites. If you don't believe me, here's a list of the most popular 1000 websites made by Google (who leave themselves off - they'd be No. 1).
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See if you can find any "theistic" or "atheistic" sites amongst them.
Only a small percentage of people, atheists or theists, are interested in discussing science, religion, philosophy etc on the internet like people here at EvC.

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Message 39 of 112 (581479)
09-15-2010 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 5:40 AM


and that is that they are PUBLIC schools.
yet christians are part of that public and deserve the right to have their faith taught their children.
You're claiming that a group, just by being a part of the public, is entitled to having their particular religious teachings taught in the public schools?
Jews are part of that public too. So you want all the students schooled in Judaica?
Muslims are part of that public too. So you want Islam taught in the public schools?
Mormons are part of that public too. So you want Mormonism taught in the public schools?
Neo-pagans and Wiccans (AKA "witches") are part of that public too. So you want paganism and Wicca taught in the public schools?
Catholics are part of that public too. So you want Catholicism taught in the public schools? BTW, I have it on the authority of Christian co-workers that Catholics are not Christians.
And members of myriad other Christian sects and denominations with whom you strongly disagree are also part of that public. You want their errant forms of Christinity too in the public schools?
What you want makes absolutely no sense!
If you wish to see your particular version of Christianity, then of course you are free to do so, but NOT to impose your beliefs on the rest of society.
then build your own schools and pay your own salaries etc. the christians have a right to a free public education that is not filled with lies or secular ideas and they have the right , since they pay school taxes, to have the education they want.
The entire public wants that! Which is why the entire public has built the public school system. For the entire public, not just for your small minority.
But you want each and every religious group to build their own schools. Why? Myriad different schools all teaching the same things, plus an hour or two a week on their own religion. What a stupendously impractical and wasteful idea! Why not instead have one public school system with teaches the subjects that everybody needs to know and that are independent of religion. Like math, reading and writing, languages, geography, history, science, art, music, etc. Then for that specialized religious instruction, each religious group can have its own classes on their own premises, such as Sunday School. And more importantly, that religious instruction can take place where it really belongs, in the home.
No, wait, we have that already.

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Message 40 of 112 (581492)
09-15-2010 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 6:00 AM


Archy writes:
Christians will do everything within their power to force their beliefs on everybody and anybody who does not share their same ideals.
so do atheists. remember the father who fought the words in the pledge of allegience?
Rightfully so, considering that the words "under God" we added to the pledge in 1954.

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Message 41 of 112 (581493)
09-15-2010 8:08 PM
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09-15-2010 6:00 AM


Teaching religion in public schools has nothing to do with atheism, it is against the establishment clause to the 1st amendment of the Constitution.
Archy writes:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 1 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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Message 42 of 112 (581532)
09-16-2010 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 4:58 PM


you can't take responsibility for one thing about yourselves. you are obsessed and hate chrisianity plain and simple. you do not attack any other religion the same way BECAUSE they are NOT a threat to your lifestyles and choices and do not remind you that you have chosen wrongly.
lol if a muslim came here we would "attack" him in the same way, if a jew came here he would get the same treatment, or a buddhist although i would agree whit the buddist whit most things except the notions of their wheel of life there is no evidence for it.
they also do not shed light on your sinful ways which means you can ignore them without worry but christianity tells you a better standard, it tells you your real origins, it gives you the real source of morality and you cannot handle that as you want to be gods and create your own.
first of all your origin farry tales or that of any other religion do not add up whit sience fact so why would i want to belive in a lie, well budhism gives you an evan better standard than christianety, and a better source of morality like the four noble truths The Four Noble Truths
1. There is Suffering Suffering is common to all.
2. Cause of Suffering We are the cause of our suffering.
3. End of Suffering Stop doing what causes suffering.
4. Path to end Suffering Everyone can be enlightened.
christianity puts the mirror in front of you and you do not like what you see and you need to get rid of it so you feel good about your lives.
well most of us devil worshiping atiests are not amoral for instance i saved 2 lives in my time, and helped quite a few peapole in trouble i just dint do it to score some brownie points whit a fictional deity, or because it was part of my job cause it clearly isn't i own a sawmill, its cause if i dint do it nobody else would.

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Message 43 of 112 (581536)
09-16-2010 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 4:47 PM


archaeologist writes:
I will post as i see fit, don't like i do not care.
How Christian of you.
excuses, excuses. i have yet to meet an atheist that was not obsessed about the Bible and didn't attack, bring it up in conversation and keeps mentioning the same arguments over and over.
I have not yet met a creationist that is not obsessed about evolution and didn't attack (you yourself are a great example of this), bring it up in conversation and keeps mentioning the same arguments over and over.
why should an atheistic site have religious topics anyways and to the tone they carry? all atheistic sites accordingto your logic would be sans any reference to religious matters.
Why should a creationist site have evolution topics anyway and to the tone they cary? All creationist sites according to your logic prove the validity of evolution.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
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Message 44 of 112 (581618)
09-16-2010 4:17 PM
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09-15-2010 6:00 AM


abuse of children
Abuse and neglect of children is everybody's business.
not really as you are applying a very subjective standard, one that fits your mentality an dnot the truth. atheists do not know enough to claim abuse or neglect.
Maybe you would like to drop your children off to be baby sat here..
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Message 45 of 112 (581678)
09-16-2010 9:33 PM
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09-14-2010 5:47 PM


Where Do You Think Atheists Come From?
Archae, have you ever stopped to think where atheists come from? Or have you always just assumed that they were created ex nihilo as atheists? Would it surprise you to discover that most atheists used to be theists? That, many atheists, especially in the USA, used to be Christians? Indeed, many of the more fervent atheists I've seen tend to have previously been Christian fundamentalists and creationists.
With so many atheists being ex-Christians, why should it puzzle you that so many are familiar with the Bible? Also, several deconversion stories that I've read described the turmoil that the person went through and their desperate efforts to reconcile the problems they saw in their religion, which included deeper and more determined study of the Bible. So why should it puzzle you that those atheists would be so much more familiar with the Bible than are those Christians who complacently accept what their leaders tell them that the Bible says and don't give it a second thought?
Archae, how many atheists do you know? How many atheists have you asked for information about what they think and believe and about how they had become atheists? How many of those times have you actually listened to them and then had actually thought about their answers? I am sure that you never have listened to them, given how zealously you embrace ignorance.
Think maybe it's high time you started? Just a thought, since I'm sure you weren't listening that time either.
Now, should you ever start listening, you would discover that few atheists are exactly the same. Each of their stories are different and each has arrived a slightly different place. Here, you can read a number of them at an ex-Christian forum, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/forum/5-testimonies-of-former-christians/.
Are those stories representative of all atheists? No, not really, because the degree to which an atheist would be motivated to participate in such discussions would be largely determined by his own experience and story. There are many atheists who felt (or even actually were) betrayed by their religious organization and/or leaders -- being lied to is one form of betrayal, one that is most often involved when creationism creates atheists. Those atheists would be very motivated to get involved and to engage, whether to attack that which had betrayed them or to save others from that same trap or maybe just to help others who are going through what they had gone through alone.
If a person quit his religion or never got involved because he wasn't interested, then that person would as an atheist continue to be disinterested and would not get involved in discussions about religion, let alone read the Bible.
Similarly, there are a number of pretend-atheists, teenage Christians who pretend to be atheists so that they can indulge in forbidden stuff like sex, drugs, liquor, etc -- I corresponded with a creationist activist who claims that he used to be an atheist, but he only pretended in order to give free reign to his bubbling hormones; that he was just pretending, even to himself, was apparent when he insisted that even as an "atheist" he prayed to God every single night. Those pretend atheists would normally not be motivated to get involved in religious discussions and would probably want to avoid confronting themselves, until hedonism had started to lose its glamor and they started to tire of keeping up the pretense.
And there are those who decide that religion just does not work or that it's just not for them. Their departure could be peaceful or troubled, depending on the individual and/or the circumstances.
And there are also those from the above who would not normally get involved, but who feel threatened by the actions of fundamentalists to seize control of the government, to force their beliefs on others through laws, to force their beliefs to be taught in the schools, etc. Of course, those atheists are not alone, because there are even more theists who likewise feel threatened by the actions of fundamentalists.

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