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subbie
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Message 91 of 112 (585377)
10-07-2010 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rahvin
10-07-2010 6:42 PM


Re: Demonstrating more nonsense
Perhaps jaywill gives a leprechaun a good spanking each night for being part of pagan mythology?
I doubt it. He doesn't strike me as being particularly Toppish.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 92 of 112 (585378)
10-07-2010 6:55 PM
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10-07-2010 6:47 PM


Re: Demonstrating more nonsense
I doubt it. He doesn't strike me as being particularly Toppish.
Bwahaha! Mental image of jaywill kneeling in submission before a stern-looking leprechaun with a flogger. That'll keep me laughing for a week.

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Message 93 of 112 (585386)
10-07-2010 7:57 PM
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10-07-2010 4:34 PM


Re: Atheists value human life just as much as anyone else.
Hi Jaywill,
I mean He seems to want you for eternity - "That whosoever believes into Him might not perish but have eternal life"
No he doesn't seem to want us. If he did, he would not have made our salvation contingent upon belief in one who has gone so far out of his way to remain hidden.
In Bible there is a very WIDE scope of recorded dealings of God with sinners. Noah's flood is not the end of the book.
You don't think it kinda stands out? The slaughter of almost everything that lived? That's not the sort of thing that one can just gloss over. Even with all the other atrocities on Yaweh's resume of misdeeds, I think that one stands out quite a bit.
I very much want to explore the entire spectrum of God's ways.
Much as one could "explore the entire spectrum" of Hitler's ways and find that he was kind to fluffy kittens, loved children and was wizard fun at parties. However, this is not what tends to stand out when discussing Hitler. What stands out is that he had all those people slaughtered.
Once someone has committed their first genocide, they have crossed the moral event horizon. There is no positive quality that could rebalance those scales.
Do you know who lived the longest in the bible? His name was Methusaleh. He lived 960 plus years.
Do you know what his name means ? It means something like "When he dies it will come". Many teachers believe that the "it" that is to come refers to the flood of Noah.
So, the longevity of Methusaleh "when he dies it will come" suggests that God prolonged the time as much as His righteousness would allow Him to do so.
No, it suggests that Methusala is a fictional character, whose name was selected by the author to reflect his role in the narrative.
But He is righteous. God is one for whom a more righteous one cannot be imagined.
No, you cannot imagine a more righteous one, but that's because your over-reliance on antiquated nonsense has left you morally stunted. The rest of us have no such problems.
One who does not slaughter millions should suffice.
And Jesus said that not a sparrow falls to the ground without His Father.
A truly repugnant notion; if your god is such an obsessive control freak that even a humble passerine cannot escape his meddling, then he must be a petty individual indeed.
But man is unique because he has a spirit to contact God. And man is made to live in God and have God live in him.
This speaks volumes. The only thing you cite as a reason why humans are superior to other animals is your imaginary friend. Maybe that's all that separates you from the beasts but the rest of us have more respect for our peers than you seem to.
Mutate and Survive

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Message 94 of 112 (585392)
10-07-2010 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by jaywill
10-07-2010 2:17 PM


ringo writes:
You're confusing the word of jaywill with the word of God.
Demonstrate with quotations please.
It is inherent in the nature of theology, which is the Word of Man, the fallible attempt by fallible humans to understand their own fallible ideas about God. Everybody builds their own theology, based upon their own imperfect and flawed understanding and misunderstanding of what their teachers have tried to teach them, which in turn is based upon those teachers' own imperfect and flawed understanding and misunderstanding of their teachers, and so on back through all generations of teachers.
But the real problem is when believers mistake their own flawed theology for the Word of God. For example, in another forum a creationist had presented a standard PRATT claim and I not only informed him that his claim was false, but also explained to him precisely why it was false and yet again suggested that Christians should not use false claims but rather truthful claims. He responded by denouncing me vehemently for my "vicious attack against Christianity." Huh? Simply being truthful and pointing out that false claim is false constitutes a "vicious attack against Christianity"? Well, in his Christian mind it did, since (I must surmise, since he was not very coherent and besides creationists are loathe to discuss their claims) he apparently believed that his faith depended upon those creationist PRATT claims being true -- many times we see creationists, even high-ranking ones (eg, John Morris of the ICR), proclaim that if their claims are not true then "Scripture has no meaning" and God is nothing be a liar. I'm sure that the run-by flamers I encountered were of the same mentality, that any mention of flaws in their theology was nothing short of an attack against God Himself.
All of which just boggles the minds of us normals. If your theology is found to be in error about certain things, then what does that mean? Well, that means that your theology is in error about certain things. Does it automatically mean that God is a liar? Of course not! That is just plain foolishness, but that is the position that we keep seeing creationists/evangelicals/fundamentalists take. They have elevated their own imperfect Word-of-Man theologies to the level of "Word of God".
This goes not only for you personally, but for everybody: not everything you believe happens to be true. Your theology contains errors. Some parts are true, but some parts are not. When you find a part that is not true, what should you do? What we see creationists do is to deny that fact and hide it from themselves, often by attacking those who can plainly see the flaw. Instead, shouldn't they recognize that they had gotten something wrong and try to correct it? That would be the reasonable thing to do, but they don't. Shame, since that would actually allow them to learn.
Your theology is the Word of Man, of one man in particular, not the Word of God. Do not confuse the two.

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Message 95 of 112 (585397)
10-07-2010 10:41 PM
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10-07-2010 4:34 PM


Absurdity
Man is absurd.
Some more so than others, of course.
The sort of man I find particularly absurd is the guy who, not himself being an atheist, will nonetheless tell atheists what they think instead of asking them.

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10-08-2010 6:41 AM


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Message 97 of 112 (611822)
04-11-2011 11:45 AM


I'm not obsessed with the Bible and Christianity. It's Christianity that is obsessed with me.
All my life I've been told that I have to be a certain way to be acceptable, and if I am not behaving or being this certain way, then I am not an acceptable person.
Most people tell me this, theists and non theists alike, but where Christians come in is that they tell me that I have to live by the Bible or I'm just a little monster who goes around doing criminal things because I am not a proper Christian who doesn't live by the Bible. It even says so in the Bible.
So, I look it it up in the Bible. The Bible doesn't say that. But the Christian goes "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" and tells me I am wrong and that I have to live my life by the Bible.
That's why we become knowledgeable about the Bible.
We wouldn't be if you Christians wouldn't be so obsessed with us and let us live our own lives and stopped forcing your beliefs on to everyone because God told you to to.
For the most part, we just want to live our own lives as we see fit, and if there truly is a God and this God is a true kind and loving God, he will judge us on our own merits and flaws and not on what anybody else says.somebody else.
It's just like an instigator to go on instigating things then cry foul and play the victim card when they're the ones at fault.

  
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Message 98 of 112 (619195)
06-09-2011 3:31 AM


Because the Bible is the only origins book worth debating?

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Message 99 of 112 (619197)
06-09-2011 3:55 AM
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06-09-2011 3:31 AM


Because the Bible is the only origins book worth debating?
Naw its because the African tribe that believes mumbo created the world by having a tummy ache and puking it all out do sent have an Internet connection yet
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Message 100 of 112 (619229)
06-09-2011 9:09 AM
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06-09-2011 3:31 AM


Portillo writes:
Because the Bible is the only origins book worth debating?
HUH?
Is there any origin explanation in the Bible.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 101 of 112 (619434)
06-09-2011 6:46 PM


jar writes:
HUH?
Is there any origin explanation in the Bible.
Yes, Genesis. How come noone here ever debates the Hindu texts or Koran? Most of the subforums are dedicated to whether the Bible is the word of God or not.
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jar
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Message 102 of 112 (619435)
06-09-2011 6:51 PM
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06-09-2011 6:46 PM


Portillo writes:
jar writes:
HUH?
Is there any origin explanation in the Bible.
Yes, Genesis. How come noone here ever debates the Hindu texts or Koran? Most of the subforums are dedicated to whether the Bible is the word of God or not.
Actually, not even in Genesis. Genesis 1 is more a matter of organization. Genesis 2&3 have some critter creation. But neither is really about creation or provide any explanation of how anything gets created.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 103 of 112 (619436)
06-09-2011 6:53 PM
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06-09-2011 6:46 PM


Probably because there are no Hindus or Muslims to fill the other side of the debate table.
And i think that Muslims have basically the same story as the Christians.

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Message 104 of 112 (619459)
06-09-2011 8:58 PM
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06-09-2011 6:51 PM


jar writes:
Actually, not even in Genesis. Genesis 1 is more a matter of organization. Genesis 2&3 have some critter creation. But neither is really about creation or provide any explanation of how anything gets created.
Genesis marks the beginning of the temporal and material world. The rest of the chapter explains the process of creation in detail. I dont see how even an atheist or nonbeliever could possibly say that Genesis doesnt have an origin explanation.
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Message 105 of 112 (619460)
06-09-2011 9:02 PM
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06-09-2011 8:58 PM


Actually I'm speaking as a Christian that has actually read the fables.
Genesis I is a matter of bringing order out of chaos, and in Genesis 2 & 3 we again see just changing order, making mud figures as an example and then magically animating them.
But creation is not the purpose or function of either the older fable found in Genesis 2 & 3 or the much, much, much younger fable found in Genesis 1.
AbE:
and of course, neither fable is factually correct or tells us anything. Even if they were true we would still have no idea how anything happened.
Edited by jar, : AbE:

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