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Theodoric
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Message 12 of 163 (581688)
09-16-2010 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by AricVader
09-16-2010 10:29 PM


I can always hope.
Why? Why do you want to live forever?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 23 of 163 (581766)
09-17-2010 12:26 PM
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09-17-2010 12:08 AM


It seems reasonable to assume that almost everyone alive wants to live.
Well as you can see from my original statement.
Theodoric writes:
Why? Why do you want to live forever?
My comment was not about living. It is about living forever.
If you are actually addressing that, I think your statement is ridiculous. I know a lot off people that don't want to live forever. Imagine the interminable boredom that will set in even after a few decades. I enjoy my life, I am living every moment I can. The reason is that I know it has an end. I know I will get old and my body will change for none the better.
Speaking in absolutes is rarely a good idea.
Edited by Theodoric, : spelling

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Theodoric
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Message 26 of 163 (581770)
09-17-2010 12:45 PM
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09-17-2010 1:23 AM


Maybe I suffer from the vanity that many creationist tend to have and don't like the idea of being an insignificant little blip in the grandness of space and the massive magnitudes of time.
As we all are.
There is a way to continue living after death. It is to live on in the memories of those still a live. You live on in family in friends. My grandparents are still very much alive in my thoughts and memories. In my memories a they are not sickly, dying or mentally incapacitated. They are at the best point I have a memory of them, vibrant, interesting and loving.
All I can suggest is not to concern yourself with death. Concern yourself with life and the ones you love and care about. Concern yourself with making yourself a better person to yourself. Be that knowledge, seeing the world, helping others or whatever. In this way when you die and become worm dirt*, you will live on in memories of those you shared your life with.
Damn that was sappy. But that is my outlook on life and death.
*worm dirt
When I die, my wife has instructions to bury me out in our woods. Right now we have 30 acres and I cannot conceive that we will ever not own some acreage. I want to just be put in a shroud and buried in the ground. The worms and animals should get to my body and "recycle" me. Wisconsin has no laws on home burial so I am lucky in that regard.

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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 163 (581779)
09-17-2010 1:14 PM
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09-17-2010 1:09 PM


Absolutes again
Most people who are alive have a healthy appreciation for staying that way, so I find it unsurprising that they would express a desire to make it permanent.
I have to disagree with your use of "most". By most do you mean 51%? Do you mean 75%? A lot of people I know have no desire for eternal life. When you present them with the ideas like boredom and a rationale look at what eternity truly means I think people will have a different outlook.

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Theodoric
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Message 35 of 163 (581796)
09-17-2010 3:06 PM
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09-17-2010 2:58 PM


Re: Absolutes again
Everyone fears death. Everyone would prefer not to die.
Why the need to speak in absolutes? The above is patently untrue. I do not "fear" death. I know lots of people that do not "fear" death. I do not welcome it at this time but I do not fear it. There are many people that want to die. if your comment were true there would be no suicides.
Aside from that there is the simple fact that today, you want to live another day. Tomorrow, you will still want to live yet another day. Unless and until you suffer such injury or illness that your quality of life degrades to the point where you would prefer nonexistence, you will still want to continue to live every day henceforth.
You do not know that and I do not know that. No one has or will experience this blissful existence you posit, so making an definitive conclusion is ludicrous to say the least.
Check out Eternal Life (thanks, but no thanks) you will see many comments from people expressing no desire for eternal life.

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Theodoric
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Message 38 of 163 (581800)
09-17-2010 3:24 PM
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09-17-2010 3:21 PM


Re: Absolutes again
Do you want to die today, Theodoric? Did you want to die yesterday? The day before? Do you anticipate wanting to die tomorrow? Perhaps next Tuesday? Next year? When do you anticipate that you will want to die, assuming that chance and entropy don't make that decision for you?
None of this has any relevance to what I have been stating. Also, it is not in any way a response to the points I made. Maybe if you actually read what I posted and responded to that we may have a decent conversation.
One thing you should remember is that neither I or you are everyone.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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