Existence After Death

Ok, so far I've gathered, from what you write, that God is a man who owns a footstool (probably not IKEA because God doesn't own shit products) and that he likes for us to hang out near the amazing footstool, I assume so we can check out the craftsmanship. Wait, we get tired in the afterlife to the point where our "bodies" required us to go to sleep?Do we get assigned beds?Who makes these beds? Certainly not the same company making God's footstool, so I'm guessing we get IKEA? I'm glad this is the case, I was starting to think I meant something.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

My ability to be sarcastic when reading your post has nothing to do with my age, although it does help. And I was commenting on the greatness of the footstool. Obviously. You said, "So there was day and night in Heaven," you said that as fact. Which to me, it seems silly to think that an immaterial place is going to have a sun and a moon and a functioning solar system as found in reality. Do you ever look into this stuff? What do I think I am? I don't know, human I guess. A bi-pedal primate, a mammal, a vertibrate, a living multicellular organism functioning in an environment. How specific do you want this? I am the master of my domain...sometimes. I'm an atheist, so currently I have neither experienced nor seen any tangible, empirical evidence to support any god concept that humans believe in today or throughout history.After I die is of no concern to me just like before I was born. There is no need for wishful thinking or to live your life by some rule that good here rewards you somekind of special treatment when you're dead - just don't be a dick to people while you're alive should be enough. Don't do it because you'll get a treat at the end, do it because you're an adult who knows right from wrong and can decide for yourself which is the better action.How am I chancing anything? Do you mean like some sort of Pascal's Wager?- Oni

This thread has taken off since I last replied to you, I'm late so feel free to not respond if you're swamped with other, more relevant, posts. Granted I've only read it once and do not study it, but you're saying the Bible says we'll be on a new planet? Or do you mean earth as in another land of dirt somewhere, perhaps even on this planet?What do you mean by, or how did you interpret, "new earth?" Oh there is definitely outside influence, environmental influences to be exact. I don't believe in atheism, you cannot consciously do that. It's not a "thing" to believe in, such as religion, or god.Atheism is a position 0-(zero) on the question of, Are there gods? All I say is that there isn't any empirical evidence for god/s so I remain skeptical that there is one or a few, or whatever.You on the other hand, are free to make the positive claim that you do believe in god, by applying faith I assume if you're a practicing Christian. But surely you remain skeptical of all the other gods proposed to exist in the various religions and philosophies? Or do you believe in all of them?It seems like you're approaching my atheism as there only existing one possible god concept, and that I've decided not to believe in it - and that is obviously not the case. I don't see any evidence for ANY god/s, not just the one you happen to believe in. And if I'm not mistaken, neither do you, yes? - Except for one of course. Actually, the notion of "nothingness" is a religious notion. The Bible claims god created everything from what? Not space parts and left over past universes - from nothingness, right?So if you're a follower of the god of the Bible YOU would be the one putting your faith in nothingness. Or rather, the ability of an unevidenced entity being able to create from nothingness. Yeah, I understand the Christian belief quite well, having been raised one and still have practicing parents.I would imagine this would have to be the image of god that a believer has, if not, that would be one morbid, self hating belief you guys had. Yes, and so do you . You're just unwilling to accept it and maintain a belief that there is more...because you want more. You don't want life to end, and neither do I, nobody does. That's why we survive in the worse conditions and fight to stay alive by any means necessary. It's no wonder we create an afterlife, a secret afterlife not known to humans: it is an inherent quality of living organisms to want to stay alive. We humans with a consciousness, want the consciousness to stay alive TOO.I get it, I just have no need for it. My existence in this life is suffice, I'm humbled my life's delicacy and live it to the fullest. I don't need any more, and I see no evidence that would validate a belief that there is one. And yet strangely enough our odds are about the same, so it's not much of a wager. It would benefit us both to believe in as many gods as we could get familiar with. That would increase our odds of having picked the right one instead of believing that, by sheer coincidence, you picked the right one of thousands that have been proposed.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.