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Larni
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Message 22 of 153 (583811)
09-29-2010 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dawn Bertot
09-14-2010 7:01 PM


What requirements?
What requirements do scientists hold creation science to that they do not hold for themselves?

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Larni
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Message 28 of 153 (584280)
10-01-2010 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Dawn Bertot
10-01-2010 2:22 AM


Re: What requirements?
Creation science suggests and indicates designby way observation and experimentation
That's a good answer!
Could we go further and test the design hypothesis? What obsevations of design are apparent, what predictions can we propose and which experimental designs can we use to test them?
All the best,
Larni

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Larni
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Message 32 of 153 (585175)
10-06-2010 11:33 AM
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10-01-2010 2:22 AM


Any chance of a reply?
I'll repost my post:
That's a good answer!
Could we go further and test the design hypothesis? What obsevations of design are apparent, what predictions can we propose and which experimental designs can we use to test them?
All the best,
Larni

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Larni
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Message 35 of 153 (585191)
10-06-2010 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by barbara
10-06-2010 12:22 PM


Re: What experiments?
I get it.
Like how the water at the bottom of a puddle fits perfectly to the shape of the puddle.
Now I get ID.

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Larni
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Message 37 of 153 (585415)
10-08-2010 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by tesla
10-08-2010 8:13 AM


Re: What experiments?
Hi tesla, long time no see.
You say ID is the recognition of balance in all things: but that is not what ID staes, is it?
ID states that the universe could not have arisen without a designer.
I agree that intelligence exists in our minds but this has not been shown to require intervention. The water in the puddle fits the puddle perfectly because of the nature of water and puddles: not that the ater is designed to fit the puddle.
A man can look at a computer and say that it is designed because it often has a lable saying 'made in China' (for example).
Nature has no such markers. Everything to date that has been put forwards as a marker for design has been debunked (blood clotting is a good example put forwards in 'Pandas and People'0.
Can you point to a marker of design in nature? If you can I'm all ears.
However, if you do not understand the microphone, how can you understand the reciever?
How can this be different to 'However, if you do not understand god, how can you understand god'?
Supernatural is just saying : "Nobody understands".
But this is not the case: the supernatural is saying: Nobody understands; therefor god. this is god of the gaps and fallacious.
Do you think my proposed experiment is an effective one?
You have proposed no experiment: what is the prediction and what is the experimental design? There is even no epistemological framework being used here apart from 'I believe what I believe'.

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Larni
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Message 38 of 153 (585417)
10-08-2010 9:01 AM
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10-08-2010 8:13 AM


Re: What experiments?
Hi tesla, long time no see.
You say ID is the recognition of balance in all things: but that is not what ID staes, is it?
ID states that the universe could not have arisen without a designer.
I agree that intelligence exists in our minds but this has not been shown to require intervention. The water in the puddle fits the puddle perfectly because of the nature of water and puddles: not that the ater is designed to fit the puddle.
A man can look at a computer and say that it is designed because it often has a lable saying 'made in China' (for example).
Nature has no such markers. Everything to date that has been put forwards as a marker for design has been debunked (blood clotting is a good example put forwards in 'Pandas and People'0.
Can you point to a marker of design in nature? If you can I'm all ears.
However, if you do not understand the microphone, how can you understand the reciever?
How can this be different to 'However, if you do not understand god, how can you understand god'?
Supernatural is just saying : "Nobody understands".
But this is not the case: the supernatural is saying: Nobody understands; therefor god. this is god of the gaps and fallacious.
Do you think my proposed experiment is an effective one?
You have proposed no experiment: what is the prediction and what is the experimental design? There is even no epistemological framework being used here apart from 'I believe what I believe'.

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Larni
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Message 98 of 153 (586428)
10-13-2010 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Percy
10-11-2010 8:23 AM


Re: What experiments?
Necessities - not a scientific concept, what's this mean?
I think he means cause and effect here.

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