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Author Topic:   The evidence for design and a designer
Panda
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Message 72 of 153 (585991)
10-10-2010 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by tesla
10-10-2010 6:50 PM


Re: What experiments?
tesla writes:
And that’s just the BBT, our most accepted theory. You can imagine what kind of holes are in 'other' theories.
Correct.
You can imagine what kind of holes are in other theories involving god/s.
tesla writes:
How much do you trust science? If you truly trust it: then trust them when they say 'we don’t know'.
This seems as poorly argued as "If I prove evolution wrong, then I will have proved Creationism true".
Could you explain how scientists 'not knowing what happened at T=0' is in anyway connected to there being a god?

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Panda
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Message 86 of 153 (586030)
10-10-2010 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by tesla
10-10-2010 8:00 PM


Re: What experiments?
Well, I will await the results of your calculations.
On a side note: you have said (in a couple of different posts):
quote:
That in an evolved existence, as long as two things are, before that is a relevant question.
Try as I might, I can make neither head nor tail of this sentence.
Could you re-phrase it for me please?

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Panda
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Message 109 of 153 (587094)
10-16-2010 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Dawn Bertot
10-16-2010 8:54 PM


Re: Evidence
Dawn Bertot writes:
You observe change and I observe order, both are science
I looked up 'order' in the dictionary.
There were over 21 different definitions.
Could you please clarify what you mean by order, so that we aren't all talking across each other?

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Panda
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Message 124 of 153 (587135)
10-17-2010 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Dawn Bertot
10-17-2010 2:53 AM


Re: Evidence
properties working together in a harmonious and logical fashion to produce a clearly visible, demonstratable and useful purpose, or even an appaernt purpose
working together in a harmonious and logical fashion to produce
this whole phrase means:
produce
"a clearly visible, demonstratable" "or even an appaernt"
this means:
detectable
So, in summary:
Order is: properties producing a detectable purpose.
Please describe how it is possible for a property (i.e. weight) to produce a purpose (e.g. cure a headache).
Maybe some examples would help clarify things.

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Panda
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Message 140 of 153 (587264)
10-18-2010 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Dawn Bertot
10-17-2010 11:31 PM


Re: qRe: Evidence
Dawn Bertot writes:
True, because while crystals or snowflakes may always have the same certain amount of points, the shape is always different or relative, with no one standard, such as the order the molecules demonstrate, to consitently produce a crystal or its numerical denomination, which is always the same
The order is primarily in its consistent substructure. Some design will be obvious on the outside, but it will also exhibit RELATIVE design with no consistent standard, as in the shape of snowflakes
You have completely ignored the effects that pre-design have.
While your arguments appears to have 'outward' logical beliefs, it still lacks any 'inward' ones
Your search for the first occurance is consistantly balanced on your ability to look forwards and backwards (and even sideways) at the physical area

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Panda
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Message 142 of 153 (587268)
10-18-2010 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dawn Bertot
10-18-2010 8:22 AM


Re: Evidence
Dawn Bertot writes:
BTW, theres my rule, since you asked
You make a post with various statements and then vaguely point at it and say "Somewhere in there is my rule."
Please be specific.

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Panda
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Message 150 of 153 (587294)
10-18-2010 9:26 AM
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10-18-2010 8:26 AM


Re: Evidence
Dawn Bertot writes:
Come on now you can do better than that. Lets see some logic, not verbage.
Come on now you can do better than that. Lets see an answer.
What is your rule?
And this time: be specific.

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Panda
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Message 151 of 153 (587297)
10-18-2010 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Dawn Bertot
10-18-2010 8:25 AM


Re: qRe: Evidence
Dawn Bertot writes:
Instead of attacking my position with rhetoric, attack its tenets, Jr, then you will impress me. Show me where my logic is faulty
Well kiddo, your position is what you are advocating - that is why I am 'attacking' it.
If your position is untenable, then I suggest you correct it.
Dawn Bertot writes:
Show me where my logic is faulty
Show me specifically what I have 'ignored',
I already gave a reasonable precise description of where you went wrong.
Rather than me repeating it, I suggest you read it.
Dawn Bertot writes:
Careful, you could be in for quite a ride
Don't worry, I've read your posts: I know you have nothing.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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