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ringo
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Message 22 of 193 (584134)
09-30-2010 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Tram law
09-30-2010 2:17 PM


Re: It's all relative
Tram law writes:
The thing is, for northerners it will be about slavery, but Southerners will claim it's about states rights and will ignore the issue of slavery.
Maybe it would help if somebody listed the other states' rights that the South was promoting, besides the right to allow slavery on a state-by-state basis.

"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 173 of 193 (890877)
01-11-2022 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Phat
01-11-2022 2:41 AM


Re: Could it happen again?
Phat writes:
Fortunately the government rarely makes unanimous uncontested decisions.
So what?
I said, "IF the government decides to pay the collective "white debt" then it's your taxes that will pay it." You will have the same input you have on every issue - the right to express your opinion, the right to protest the decision, etc. - but you WILL pay for whatever the decision is.
Phat writes:
Some of us believe that the government has no right or mandate to legislate morality.
It isn't about "legislating morality". It's about doing the right thing.
Phat writes:
White people can not be held collectively responsible for a crime that not all of them participated in.
Of course they can. I mentioned that Germany was still paying reparations for WW1 for generations.
Phat writes:
Conversely, not all black people should benefit when only some were wronged.
You have the memory retention of a goldfish. The descendants of the slaves have inherited the disadvantages the same as the descendants of the slave-owners have inherited the advantages. Why don't you stop repeating the same old nonsense and actually THINK about the issue?
Phat writes:
Liberals try and rectify ancient wrongs because they want to expand their voting base and ideological movement.
Doing the right thing is not an "ideological movement".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 177 of 193 (890881)
01-11-2022 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Phat
01-11-2022 11:37 AM


Re: Could it happen again?
Phat writes:
since when does anyone get to tell me what the right thing is, apart from the Lord Himself?
How can you be so arrogant?
Phat writes:
Certainly not a bunch of atheists or "woke" people.
Why don't you present an argument instead of just spitting hatred?
Phat writes:
Perhaps you need to listen to folks tell YOU what the right thing is for ALL of us and not what and whom you define it as.
That's exactly what I'm doing. It's pretty universally agreed that paying your debts is the right thing to do.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 178 of 193 (890882)
01-11-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Phat
01-11-2022 11:44 AM


Re: Could it happen again?
Phat writes:
Where does one begin and when should we stop?
You begin by not arguing against it. You end when the repairs are finished.
Phat writes:
How in fact can such reparations even be honestly calculated?
Don't get ahead of yourself. The beginning of honesty is the realization that the debt should be paid.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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