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Author Topic:   Can You define God?
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Message 83 of 318 (674868)
10-03-2012 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
10-03-2012 4:11 PM

Re: God did the job for us
Ringo writes:
Jesus was an example of what man can be, not a definition of God.
This was the conundrum the early church fathers had to deal with. The result was the Trinity which I think was as good a human understanding that they could possibly arrive at, even though there remains considerable ambiguity. Jesus was in their understanding wholly god and wholly man.
Obviously from the NT, Jesus the man was not completely synonymous with the one He called Father. I mean, praying to yourself does sound just a tad narcissistic.
However at the same time the Jews had the understanding that they could be made right with God through the Temple which was representative of God’s dwelling place on Earth. They could bring sacrifices to the altar and find forgiveness.
Jesus however was seen to go around saying that He desired mercy not sacrifice and from a Pharisaic POV committed the blasphemy of forgiving sins. In other words Jesus was acting as a Temple replacement, or the dwelling place of God. (Incarnation)
Of course this all sound more than just a little egocentric and on that basis there is no reason to give any credence to what He had to say, particularly considering that His message was very unpopular in most quarters anyway.
However, if the early Christians were correct when they claimed that Jesus was resurrected in a renewed bodily form, then it is safe to assume that the Father that Jesus served had vindicated the message and the actions of Jesus. IMHO there is no other credible reason for the early Christian movement to get off the ground. This being the case then, what Jesus said is of tremendous importance.
I like the way you phrased your statement that I quoted. I agree that Jesus as man is the example of what man can aspire to be, and I agree that Jesus is not a definition of God, but in another sense I believe that Jesus defined the true nature of God.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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