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Author Topic:   Can You define God?
Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 318 (660169)
04-21-2012 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by 2ndReign
10-03-2010 1:24 AM


Re: Defing God
2ndReigh writes:

I don't believe in God personally but for the sake of discussion, I will concede that he does exist for the simple fact how can there be any kind of in-depth discussion on God if we are still arguing weather God exists or not.
Poe said...

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If we cannot comprehend God in his visible works, how then in his inconceivable thoughts, that call the works into being? If we cannot understand him in his objective creatures, how then in his substantive moods and phases of creation?
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As humans,we like to understand things. We feel the need to put them into some type of category, to name them. This has been a good thing for our species in many circumstances but in the case of God the ability to define or even name him is an impossibility. Yet that does not mean that it is not worth the attempt to gain some understanding of what God is, only that we must understand before we begin that defining something limits that something, and describing something often gets confused with defining something. You try to define your love of someone by describing why you love them. You attempt to define the sky by describing its properties,etc. So based on this,can you define God? Some if most would say that God is good, merciful, just, loving, and all powerful. All of these are words to describe him. It doesn't make them untrue, it simply avoided the bigger challenge, and that is defining him.

I don't believe in God personally but for the sake of discussion, I will concede that he does exist for the simple fact how can there be any kind of in-depth discussion on God if we are still arguing weather God exists or not.
Poe said...

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If we cannot comprehend God in his visible works, how then in his inconceivable thoughts, that call the works into being? If we cannot understand him in his objective creatures, how then in his substantive moods and phases of creation?

As humans,we like to understand things. We feel the need to put them into some type of category, to name them. This has been a good thing for our species in many circumstances but in the case of God the ability to define or even name him is an impossibility. Yet that does not mean that it is not worth the attempt to gain some understanding of what God is, only that we must understand before we begin that defining something limits that something, and describing something often gets confused with defining something. You try to define your love of someone by describing why you love them. You attempt to define the sky by describing its properties,etc. So based on this,can you define God? Some if most would say that God is good, merciful, just, loving, and all powerful. All of these are words to describe him. It doesn't make them untrue, it simply avoided the bigger challenge, and that is defining him.

I assume that you refer to the Biblical god, Jehovah. This is his proper name. In grammer, a proper name is what our surname is; that is our given name.

That name, Jehovah (WHWH/Yahwey) in Hebrew is His proper name. In all manuscripts, from which most translations were derived, unfortunately, nearly all followed the superstituous belief of the late pre-Christ Jews that God's name was not to be spoken. Therefore most translators of OT scriptures took it upon themselves to change most of the 6000 plus times Jehovah was written to the generic word for lord/master, i.e. adonai. This was a violation of Jehovah's warning that scripture must always be copied precisely as written.

There are several places in the OT and implications in the NT that Jehovah is the supreme entity who's certain dwelling abode is in the heavens/cosmos of the Universe,

As per the Biblical scriptures we know a great deal about what and who Jehovah is. For example, he has been eternally existing within the Universe's cosmos, clearly implicating an infinite time and spaced Universe.

He is described as the designer/creator of all that exists. He is described a complex spirit entity, not physically visible, as are all spirit beings, including angels and demons etc.

He is described as a working entity, who's designing and creative ability requires work, so as to prevent an equilibrium of entropy, essentially creating a perpetually energic system, i.e the Universe, in which he resides and manages.

He is described as loving god, yet one who is to be feared, worshipped obeyed, sought out and submitted to, being creatures created by him.

He can be compared to, in one sense as the giant computer of the Universe.

He sits on the supreme throne (control) room of the Universe, from which his multi-present spirit, i.e. the holy spirit is capable of doing the work of Jehovah whereever in the Universe he is sent. I say multi-present, as God's working spirit is capable of existing in as many places as God desires, simultaneously.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 318 (660178)
04-21-2012 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Dr Adequate
04-21-2012 3:55 PM


Re: Defing God
DA writes:

Given name" actually refers to your personal name (in our culture, your first name) as opposed to your surname.

Whether Jehovah is a surname or a personal name is a question that I shall leave up to the theologians.

I should have stuck to the term, proper in reference to his name, Jehovah.

It was not his given name, he being an eternal entity. He was never given anything pertaining to his definition or description.

LoL on the average theologian. Most either aren't aware, don't care or have not been taught in their programmed theological universities and seminaries. All most know, scripurally is what was programmed into them during their four to twelve years of formal education.

Thus one who's been studiously into the Bible daily for decades, regardless of whether one has a degree may be more Biblical knowledgeable than your average degreed theologian.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 318 (660199)
04-21-2012 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by ringo
04-21-2012 5:37 PM


Re: Defing God
ringo writes:

Why would He need a name at all?
Names are generally used to distinguish one from another. Within the family, James is distinguished from John. In the general population, John of Winchester is distinguished from John of Remington.

If there is only one God, what does a name distinguish Him from?

Hi Ringo. First off, great to see you posting again.

He would need a name to distinguish him from the thousands of other alleged gods. The name, Jehovah has a meaning, i.e. the one existing.

Though he is the only god supported by visible corroborative and correlated evidence pertaining to his book to mankind, the Biblical record, there are other acclaimed gods having various proper names. The Islamic god, Allah is an example.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 318 (660220)
04-22-2012 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by frako
04-22-2012 8:45 AM


Re: Defing God
frako writes:

Dont the Mormons have a copy of a holy text made of gold then taken away by an angel.

Mohamed had his book dictated by an angel if im not mistaken.

No hard visible evidence pertaining to either of these, such as something to show that these are falsifyable; no visible supportive evidence whatsoever.

Whenever the Mormons come to my door, I invite them in to cite something. I've offered to become a Mormon if they could. No soap.

I have a B of M, and as with the Quran have researched it for decades. Roughly a third of it is essentially plagarized from the Bible. Like the Quran, they're both jonny-come-lately futil attempts to best the Biblical record. LoL!

Satan and his host of angellic demon deceivers always see to it that their false prophets lace enough good into their stuff to draw people into them.

Neither mention the Biblical god's proper name, in their books, that I'm aware of. Neither have any significant fulfilled prophecy whatsoever, etc.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 318 (660227)
04-22-2012 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by jar
04-22-2012 9:51 AM


Re: Defing God
jar writes:

Can you provide any evidence of fulfilled prophecy that first appeared in any of the New Testament?

Over the years I've cited and debated scores of them. They're right there in my Buz archived profile. You've yet to acknowledge one. Why waste my time on your trollish calls for the same ole?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 49 of 318 (660249)
04-22-2012 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by frako
04-22-2012 5:23 PM


Re: Defining God
frako writes:

Well im not bias t words the possibility of there being a god or god like creature somewhere out there in the multi verse. Im just biast against magic.

Well, in fact, you are biased. When you finish your trollish biased rants, contributing nothing edifying, perhaps you would kindly cut and paste the specifics of Message 31 pertaining to the Biblical god, Jehovah.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 51 of 318 (660253)
04-22-2012 7:21 PM


Tally, So Far:
So far the debate tally is Buz 0, Frako 1. Buz cited wrong message pertaining evidence, etc. Buz be back ASAP to resume debate due to other more pertinent matters at hand. In the mean time all should have a look at the following messages, pertaining to evidence of Jehovah, etc.

Message 37 Message 38 Message 39 Message 40


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


  
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