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Author Topic:   Can You define God?
frako
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Message 38 of 318 (660216)
04-22-2012 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
04-21-2012 9:47 PM


Re: Defing God
Though he is the only god supported by visible corroborative and correlated evidence pertaining to his book to mankind
O rly the absolute only one.
Dont the Mormons have a copy of a holy text made of gold then taken away by an angel.
Mohamed had his book dictated by an angel if im not mistaken.
And they all have plenty of "evidence" for their gods existence.
MY definition of god an imagined being or entity capable of anything the one imagines it of doing, constructed by ones mind primarily because the mind seeks to understand the "order" of things and when real explanations are unavailable the god imagination takes over so the individual does not have to be afraid of not knowing. The other primary reason for this imagined construct is fear of death, not being able to cope that someone is gone and that one day too the individual constructing this fantasy will be gone one constructs an illusion where one can live forever with ones loved ones.

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frako
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Message 43 of 318 (660229)
04-22-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
04-22-2012 9:34 AM


Re: Defing God
Neither mention the Biblical god's proper name, in their books, that I'm aware of.
Well DDDDDDDDDD, thats cause your worshipping an imagined god and they worship the right one with its proper name.
no visible supportive evidence whatsoever.
Name some from the bibles example so i know what you are talking about and cite you some examples from these holy books of their only god.
I have a B of M, and as with the Quran have researched it for decades. Roughly a third of it is essentially plagarized from the Bible. Like the Quran, they're both jonny-come-lately futil attempts to best the Biblical record. LoL!
You got it all wrong they came to fix the bible because the Hebrews changed the word of god they dint eave get his name right common what god would call him self jehova the name gives me a visualisation of someone who is starving. Now Allah that's a proper name for a god the name reminds me of someone taking action.
Satan and his host of angellic demon deceivers always see to it that their false prophets lace enough good into their stuff to draw people into them.
Satan has his own bible and i dint mention it but since you bring it up what is wrong with worshipping Satan as the one and only god.

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frako
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Message 47 of 318 (660244)
04-22-2012 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
04-22-2012 1:01 PM


Re: Defining God
I will admit to a bias favoring the existence of God. What many of my critics wont admit is a bias against any possibility of His/Her/Its existence above and beyond their imagination. They simply deify their own common sense.
Well im not bias t words the possibility of there being a god or god like creature somewhere out there in the multi verse. Im just biast against magic.
If i go back 1000 years with a shotgun rifle and a harly Davison how many do you think i could convince that i was a god?
Even if there is a creature that can create an entire universe just by thinking it would still follow natural rules and be explainable by science.
The problem is human concepts of souls, and gods are made up their only purpose is to be able to cope with death, and not knowing.
A big flash of light from the sky burned my house down. - well that was zeus he is angry with you try burning some cows to make him happy.
There are some very beautiful colours in the sky. Well that is god sighn that he is taking an anger manigment class, that is mavrica she is drinking from 2 lakes at once and making it rain.
What happens to you after you die? - well you fly of to planet Xenu where you get a harem of women and send your children to be borne as mortals to other planets then ascend to gods and come here.
How can you fly of when your body rots decays and starts to smell? Well your soul an invisible, untouchable unmeasurable thing y fly s of that is actually you you can see that because some people who have brain injuries become completely different people even though their soul is the same.
thing is gods get pushed further back all the time.
Where does you god live?
Mount Olympus, we scaled mount Olympus in 1925 no god there.
Where does you god live?
well he is the god of the sky, Well they dint think we would go and look for him there but we jumped, we flew we soared all over our sky to the edge of space and beyond. no god found
Where does your god live?
Well he lives beyond time and space.
do you think that will stop us from checking?
What did your god(s) do?
He unleashes snow, rain and stuff from his storehouses in heaven - Biblical god
They throw lighting around, change the seasons, help you win wares ....
What do they do now?
They sometimes make miracles like when thousands of people visit a place with miracle curing water and a handful cured. Allot die because they stop taking their meds and in some there is no change.
Oh yea and the gods today keep heaven tidy so your soul can go there and party for eternity.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 50 of 318 (660251)
04-22-2012 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
04-22-2012 6:14 PM


Re: Defining God
ontributing nothing edifying, perhaps you would kindly cut and paste the specifics of Message 31 pertaining to the Biblical god, Jehovah.
Ok sure why not
I assume that you refer to the Biblical god, Jehovah. This is his proper name. In grammer, a proper name is what our surname is; that is our given name.
That name, Jehovah (WHWH/Yahwey) in Hebrew is His proper name. In all manuscripts, from which most translations were derived, unfortunately, nearly all followed the superstituous belief of the late pre-Christ Jews that God's name was not to be spoken. Therefore most translators of OT scriptures took it upon themselves to change most of the 6000 plus times Jehovah was written to the generic word for lord/master, i.e. adonai. This was a violation of Jehovah's warning that scripture must always be copied precisely as written.
Well its not the only time the bible "evolved" but hey if the book that is completely true because it is written in the book that it is completely true says that the name of the guy who wrote the book is Jehovah who am i to argue.
There are several places in the OT and implications in the NT that Jehovah is the supreme entity who's certain dwelling abode is in the heavens/cosmos of the Universe,
No the book NEVER says anything about an universe it only mentions heaven you know the blue by day black by night dome above our flat earth.
As per the Biblical scriptures we know a great deal about what and who Jehovah is. For example, he has been eternally existing within the Universe's cosmos, clearly implicating an infinite time and spaced Universe.
Yea but the universe ha sent existed eternally only about 15 billion years so has time , and what bible are u using i cant find a single mention of the word universe only heaven or up in the sky ...
He is described as the designer/creator of all that exists. He is described a complex spirit entity, not physically visible, as are all spirit beings, including angels and demons etc.
But sometimes he is visible one time he even had a sword fight with a king. Does he also create and uncreate virtual particles CONSTANTLY?
He is described as a working entity, who's designing and creative ability requires work, so as to prevent an equilibrium of entropy, essentially creating a perpetually energic system, i.e the Universe, in which he resides and manages.
More like a speaking entity he says something and it happens Let there be light, lets part the waters from the land, lets make some plants, Lets make the sun and the stars (duno where the first light came from but hey its god right)
He is described as loving god, yet one who is to be feared, worshipped obeyed, sought out and submitted to, being creatures created by him.
Yea i really dont get the part loving comes in to the equation subbnit to me or il torture you for eternity.
He can be compared to, in one sense as the giant computer of the Universe.
Why does the universe need a computer it works fine on its own. What does he do when he gets a virus? format c
He sits on the supreme throne (control) room of the Universe, from which his multi-present spirit, i.e. the holy spirit is capable of doing the work of Jehovah whereever in the Universe he is sent. I say multi-present, as God's working spirit is capable of existing in as many places as God desires, simultaneously.
You do know how silly this sounds, and he is not multi- present he is OMNI-PRESENT being everywhere at the same time all the time read your bible man. He is there with you when you take a dump it says so in that bronze age book that does not mention universe, or computer, or control room. But does mention useful facts on how to cure leprosy using the blood of pigeons dosent mention anything about hepatitis c but hey, its only a daemon that can be cast out as all desieses are like the book says, not some silly microbes and viruses like science would want you to believe.

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frako
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Message 53 of 318 (660267)
04-23-2012 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by AdminPD
04-23-2012 3:38 AM


Re: Topic Please!
. For the sake of this discussion, God exists.
Ok say that a god like being exists, using bronze agescriptures to describe a beinglike that is unreliable because we now know that many if not all the things god or gods are doing like making it rain is simply not true.
So lets try to describe him/them from what we know.
They are not responsible for weather.
They are not responsible for earthquakes.
they are not responsible for making you sick.
they do not make you well again.
They did not make life in its current form, they do not evolve things.
They are either not on this planet or they are invisible, untouchable, undetectable, just like the pet dragon i have in my garage.
They do not win wares
They do not change the seasons
They do not make vulcanos erupt
They do not make the sun cross the sky or the moon
They do not make children
They do not throw lighting
....
...
So a god is a being that does not do all that and more

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